It is all terrible, isn't it? I live in Surry Hills NSW and used to vote for Clover. I thought she was our "saviour" until I have watched her increasing graps for power using any means possible. So the idea of independents like her in control of the state fills me with horror.

The NSW Labor party has done a very bad job for years. The Libs are controlled by the extreme right covertly led by an Opus Dei radical.

As much as I hate to say it, the Greens are the only choice now that the ALP has become so bad.

Debnam's demise was basically due to John Howard's ill planned IR reform.I made this observation a year ago.John Howard will lose the next election over poorly planned and presented IR reform.Peter Debnam has now suffered some of the fallout from this public anguish.

I cannot believe how stupid the Coalition have been both Federally and at state level in confronting this issue.

Do we all have to suffer no talent time at the hands of Rudd's duds who are already salivating at the prospect of spending Public Servant's future fund on broard band internet?

I think that the Howard Govt has been there too long,but the alternative is is too stupid and bereft of any talent for most sane people to consider.Yahweh help Australia.PS I'm not Jewish.

T800: "I personally don't think there are enough good people left in either party to run in either election."

T800 was talking about the erstwhile redneck One Nation party, but I reckon much the same applies to the ALP and Coalition, in both the current NSW and forthcoming Federal elections.

Mind you, I disagree with the contention that this is a Hobson's choice (i.e. a choice between a viable but imperfect alternative and zilch). Rather, I think that it's a choice between two unviable and unattractive alternatives - in which case I expect that there will be a larger than usual vote for the minor parties, particularly the Greens.

As a Queenslander, I obviously can't vote in the NSW election, but I think this is a good thing for democracy - and I fervently hope that the electorate is presented with a similar 'choice' in the forthcoming Federal and State election rounds.

In my view, anybody with a brain and a heart would have to vote for the Greens, who are far from perfect, but at least offer some kind of vision for how people might co-operate to adapt to the environmental and sociocultural challenges that face us.

Here is an idea:

Forget political parties.
Vote for the best candidate.
Do some research on who is running and pick
someone with good personal qualities and experience.

This would raise the standard of all parties
and also provide good independents.

- 12 Years of government. The incumbent(NSW Labor) looks tired and worn out. It lurches from crisis to crisis.(Though I have to admit, Morris Iemma has handled himself well. While most people in NSW think Labor is a joke, The majority think Morris Iemma is a decent bloke.)

- Completely biased media coverage in favor of the coalition. Completely and utterly biased. I also think NSW Labor is a bad joke, but the bias in the media was extraordinary. Even I thought it was unfair.

- The coalition picked up 3 seats. 2 off independents (As of the time I'm posting this), the only one won off Labor was by the nationals. Pathetic.

Conclusion: The Liberal/National coalition managed to lose the unloseable election. Peter Debnam is a complete moron. He comes across as some rich upper class eastern suburbs twat. 18 Months ago I would I have put money on the Liberals to win with Brogden. Incredible.

The Lesson I learned: Never under-estimate the capacity of the Liberal party for complete and utter failure.

I have partly taken the advice of the thread starter, had my beer and it tasted sooo sweet.
After a long day in the booths and a long journey home it is was a reward and end to fear the voters might just say try the Liberals in any case.
Workchoices is a brick wall the contains the Conservatives and by years end will see them at best hold maybe a lord Mayors office?
But the force that put this insult to the term Fair go mate!into our laws came from within a virus within the Liberals around Australia.
It was planted by Howard and strange beyond belief the man who even his opponents once admired will be remembered by his own side and mine as the man who for a very long time destroyed his side of politics.
The removal of the last leader of the NSW Liberals was crafted by the man who drove this campaign, a man who has driven Liberalism out of the Liberal party.
John Howard.
The Sydney press sank to new standards of lies and manufacturing of news , good morning people how does it feel to run a lost election that cost you your reputations?
Mr Howard Australia never will buy workchoices we never will say it is ok to create wealth by making more poor.
Mate it is time, go now go with grace and as you do remember
Fair Go Mate still has meaning in Australia.
Morris you good thing! get that sword out! lets see the blood, no other than conservative.
PS all the best to the budgie smuggler in his new workplace.