@Spaniard,

Really? I'm surprised that you even have an opinion about a colonization matter, your country is still colonizing two major cities in Morocco! and the atrocities Spain committed in Morocco during the colonization war speak for themselves. What the heck are you waiting for to voice your frustration and ask your government to leave before they are officially asked to? Or are we going to see you "feel guilty" at the way Spain would leave Ceuta and Melilia and you will be asking for a referendum over there too?

And how about the basque movement? how come the so called democratic Spain won't give them self-determination? Pure hypocrisy.

@Yedass/Simon,

Since you're bringing the terrorism issue, Polisario has a long standing history of terror they can be very proud of indeed, including shooting down a US military plane and presenting excuses afterwards:

http://www.tkb.org/RWExecquery.jsp?sLibraryType=Terr_Incidents&QueryString=polisario

You can bash Morocco as much as you want, you can show your contempt for Moroccans too, you can"assume" that nobody believes UNHCR or France Libertes, that is your right. But the truth is coming out and nothing will stop that from reaching every ear of every international decision maker. The international community is very much so aware of the real ramifications of this issue today. And nothing can stop that, whether it's oily Algeria or communist Cuba or the dying Polisario.

Bottomline, any person using some logic will understand that if the people in Tindouf are escaping by the hundreds to Morocco risking their lives, then there must be a very good reason for that. And in the same token, nobody would understand why polisario would need to deprive the sahrawis in the camps from their freedom of movement and torture or kill whoever tries to escape.

As far as my questions/videos/documents, the fact that none of the polisario backers have an answer for them should really not get you that excited. It means nothing more that they can't answer them and that by ignoring them, they acknowledge the horrific facts being reported. so don't get too enthusiatic because you can't answer questions.

Ayoub, you just need to read the first 2 lines of my first post to know what I think on your report/videos/docs. I am not a POLISARIO backer, but if you consider me as one, then do not say that nobody can criticise your reports. I didn´t go into detail because it is pretty clear what they are on about. (Did you actually read what I wrote?)

I am not the representative of Spain, and as a matter of fact I do not agree with everything Zapatero says (should I for the fact of being Spanish?)
And what you say about Ceuta and Melilla, Spanish cities in African soil... I happen to know a couple of people from each city, and they feel Spanish, and proud of it (not like me..). Most of the population would probably migrate if were under Moroccan rule.
So, back to the point. People should be free to decide for their own future. And yes, as a Spaniard I should put pressure on my senators...

@ Spaniard,

I got from your first post that you were not a supporter of Zapatero, but thanks for clarifying... you dismissed the ESISC report, so I copied the France-Libertes which is saying the same thing, with all the facts and names documented. You don't agree with that one either I suppose?

Talking about not getting answers, how about the atrocities committed by Spanish troops in the Moroccan Rif mountains and how about the similar Basque question? Are you pressuring your senators for that too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28historical_territory%29

Since the 19th century, Basque nationalism has demanded the right of self-determination and even independence (...) The desire for independence is particularly common among leftist Basque nationalists. Since self-determination is not recognized in the Spanish Constitution of 1978, a wide majority of Basques abstained and some even voted against it in the referendum of December 6 of that year. However, it was approved by clear majority at the Spanish level, and simple majority at Navarrese and Basque levels.

Can you please explain to me why the right for self-determination is "prohibited" in the Spanish constitution for the Basques while at the same time you are pushing for that right elsewhere?

As for the "Spanish cities in African soil" (how romantic) Ceuta and Melilia, it seems you are justifying colonization by economic performance? well let me then make the exact same case about Moroccan sahara which is a prosperous place and Tindouf camps which are a humanitarian catastrophe. Many sahrawis fled the camps to Moroccan sahara. I guess you'd agree then that because of this economic fact, Morocco is entitled to the Sahara? Your argument just doesn't make sense. Ceuta and Melilia are on African soil, Spain is in Europe, There is a sea between the continents, you can try to make your argument in 36000 ways, there is a huge geographical fact that any 5 years old who opens up a map would say "Gee, how come those 2 African cities are spanish? That sure looks like colonies!"

I must have touched a raw nerve exposing the polisario for what it is to draw the ire and personal attacks of polisario “lovers” in this forum who have been too comfortable spreading lies and fabrications for too long. As the famous saying goes: Only the truth hurts. From the contributions above, it is crystal clear who on one side is proSahrawi and resolutely wants their well being and the immediate end of their plight and who is pro polisario criminals who encourages the status quo and voluntarily or not contributes to keep Moroccan Sahrawis confined like cattle in Algerian camps in order to use their misery to fund the lavish lives of a happy few some of them living as far from the Sahara as Australia and to help the Algerian military regime in its designs to continue draining the resources of their country for their own benefits and at the detriment of their .

Polisario thugs are mainly supported by Che Guevara wannabes who think they are supporting a just “revolution”, racist spaniards who abhor anything related to Morocco and blame it for every issue Spain encounters from unemployment to drought, presidents of poor countries in Africa, Latin America and Asia eager to receive their shipment of “fine” Algerian wine and dollar suit cases, Algerian military regime members and finally innocent well meaning souls who have fallen victim to the speech of the preceding groups. (ctnd)

To the last group, as the former groups are hopeless demagogues that only care about comforting their oversized egos, sticking it to Morocco or filling up their bank accounts, please go beyond the speeches that are fed to you on the Sahara issue by the polisario incorporated for every once of support to provide these criminals destroys the life of a child, a woman or a man held hostage in Algerian camps.

Talk to the refugees who managed to run away from the Algerian camps, talk to the men and women who were snatched from their families at 5 years old to be shipped to Cuba so their parents remain docile and to prevent them from returning to their country, talk to the Moroccan prisoners and POWs and finally talk to the Sahrawis in the camps when no one is actually looking around. One final sentence to end this exchange on my end: Every freedom loving individual should demand that Moroccan Sahrawi tribes imprisoned in Algerian camps be immediately freed. The polisario thugs should understand that they will sooner or later have to let them return to their country Morocco so that they can be full fledged dignified humans again as opposed to slaves to an archaic terrorist group.

John, I am beginning to think that you really have no clue of what is going on... so I guess all your information is not "first-hand info". You were probably told things others were told. Even so, I would find it appropiate to have a bit of respect for the others, including myself (that is if you are calling me a Spanish racist).
I hope readers can witness the "truth-fulness" of your words. Because if you lie about me, it reassures me that you are lying about the POLISARIO "thugs" as well. I am going to comment no more in this long thread.
My greetings to all real peace lovers, and the ones that are willing to know about the truth without prejudices. My greetings to Kamel, whose articles published in this site I have read.
And as I said before, good night, and Good LUCK!