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As an outsider perhaps your impressions are somewhat inadequate. You would be limited perhaps to what the newspapers are prepared to publish and they are very selective. On the question of Israel there is a high degree of agreement even when other values are not shared. This does not mean any limit on expression.

There is only one country in the world where Jews are a majority. A tiny land which a few countries want to obliterate. The statements by Keith for example are so vehement, no one would say the same about any other country or make such bitter accusations. No other country that I know of has its very legitimacy questioned. No other country has been so vilified for occupying neighbours who threatened to destroy it. The allied occupation of Germany and Japan- not generally questioned.

Why is Israel so vilified by the left?

Logic

Your accusations of my hate for Israel have no substance. I despise the Israeli illegalities and your justification of the it's criminalities.

Your comparison of the occupation by Israel of Palestine and the Allies of Germany and Japan are quite stupid.

The Allies endeavoured to rebuild both Japan and Germany and indeed contributed huge sums. They encouraged democracy. They didn't suppress the people of those countries with checkpoints and arbitrary detention without trial. The didn't occupy those countries for 40 odd years. They didn't steal land and create settlements in those countries.
For you to claim a comparison is merely dispicable and stupid propaganda.

You are a justifier of criminality and oppression. You prefer war instead of peace. You are a disgace for attempting to besmirch my honourable and peaceful intentions with your muck-raking and baseless accusation.

For you to continue in this vein shows you to be a bigoted fool.

keith

Israel did not steal Arab land any more than the Arabs stole Jewish land. (Hebron, Tiberias). Also Islamic regimes throughout the region (Yemen Egypt Iraq Iran) had a history of denying non-Muslims full and equal rights. (Dhimmies).

Jewish communities in the area predate Islam, as do Christian communities. The Druze also suffered discrimination. Jews lived continuously in Israel and more arrived during the Caliphate and the Turkish rule. European Jews arrived more recently and bought properties from local and Turkish landowners. All completely legal according to the existing laws.

Mnay Muslem Arabs tried to use force to remove these legal settlers. This continued after the creation by the UN of a Jewish state. Naturally the Jews fought back. Questionable things were done by both sides. The attempts by the surrounding Islamic administrations continued, leaving refugees in roughly equal numbers on both sides. Israel showed superior battle skills and defeated their sworn enemies.

That is why they then occupied territories for protection against belligerent states. They obtained some new lands, particularly around Jerusalem but against that they sheltered Christian and Druze communities who were treated unacceptably (by modern standards) under Islamic rule. I agree that the occupation went on for far too long but the Palestinians positively refused to accept Israel and still do.

Israel finally built a wall AROUND ITSELF to stop the obscenity of suicide bombing (often by children).

You Keith cannot accept any of this. For examples of hatred do a Google on Antisemitism, Islam and you will be shocked by the filth and hatred you see. It is paranoid.

Keith

The point about my comparison with the defeat of Japan and Germany is this.

Both countries accepted defeat, silenced the extremists who caused the trouble, and moved on. Germany did not clamour for the return of the Sudatenlands, the Rhinelands or parts of Poland nor Japan the return of Taiwan. Neither side preached poisoned hatred of the allies or fired rockets at them, certainly neither sent suicide bombers against them. Thus they were able to move on and prosper in harmony with their former enemies.

Otherwise the allies would have again moved on them again with a force that makes Israel's efforts look like a picnic.

The Palestinians could be now living in comfort if they had done the same. Before you explode (I hope I have not given you heart failure I do not dislike you) consider this. You make much of the displacement of Muslim Arabs but reject the displacement of Christians, Jews and Druze from the surrounding areas. If that attitude is general how can peace ever be established?

Logic

Take some history and geography lessons. Your lack of knowledge of basic facts underlies and highlights your basic misunderstanding of the mid east crisis.

keith

I have read much of history. And I have a good understanding of logic. In fact I have a University Degree.

You are denying my comments not arguing against them. Your cheap jibes and lack of arguments are such that you are not likely to be taken seriously. Give me some reasonable facts I will debate them with you. You have simply used the abuse approach that has unfortunately become a stock in trade of the Palestinian lobby. I think it reveals that the Palestinians have to get a life, suppress the extremists in their midst and get to some useful work.

Their Arab friends should show a bit of charity and help them instead of blaming Israel the US and past colonialism for their failures. If they would do that the pressure would then go off Israel who would be in a better position to control their extremists.

You seem to be too busy excusing the Arabs and blaming Israel and the US. I bet you don't in your blindness even recall that I referred to Israeli failings.

Stop being so pathetic and take part in a real debate. And read a few interpretations of history that are not written by Islamists.