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We haven’t come a long way baby at all : Comments
By Melinda Tankard Reist, published 16/3/2007We have to acknowledge the tragic truth: the movement for women’s equality, in many ways, appears to have failed.
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Posted by Seeker, Friday, 16 March 2007 8:51:07 PM
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Your comment that women need structure is correct. This sexual liberalism goes against what society thinks of women and also what women think of themselves. There is still the double standard (and always will be) of calling sexually promiscuous girls "sluts" and boys "studs". I am not disagreeing with your analysis but I do feel that it is a "Ha, Ha attitude. You have made your bed now lie in it". Children and young people need boundaries and this is what is lacking from both society and parents and the young people themselves.
It would be nice for a change to get some acknowledgment from the men who contribute to articles about women that there is a problem and that they are willing to contribute some constructive insight and propose some solutions rather than the usual bitter responses. But then, maybe I am trying to control the debate again. If so, it is only because I feel that it is a crucial debate in the future welfare of both our young men and women. This is because the factors stated in the article about women not coming a long way at all affects both men and women equally. Posted by Lizzie4, Saturday, 17 March 2007 7:46:48 AM
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Sexualising of young girls (and boys) is not something that has happened recently. Certainly, we probably saw less of it in the last century than what we do now. But people forget that in many cultures in the past it ws not uncommon for girls to be married off (rarely through their choice) by 12 and as young as 10. Not that I think this is acceptable, just trying to point out that it wasnt women's lib that caused young girls to be sexualised. Also, it doesnt mean that we shouldnt be fighting against it now.
Women's lib has given women the right to continue to work once married, to vote, to own property, to work in any profession or occupation, protection against violence (might still happen, but at least its illegal now), and generally lots of choice about all aspects of life. I think the movement has achieved plenty. Yes, there are some problems in society, but they are more about the nature of certain aspects of our society, rather than being the fault of men or women in particular. Posted by Country Gal, Saturday, 17 March 2007 1:32:05 PM
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Women aren't called the weaker sex for nothing. They need protection. Take away the patriarchal structure sheltering them and they become, ah, cat's meat. This subconscious yearning by young women for a protective structure probably explains the popularity of dramas set on Jane Austen's books. Young women in that chivalrous setting didn't have to wonder, "Will you still love me tomorrow?" The commitment of the guy was already locked in before he could hope of ever "getting any".
A great book that explores the dilemmas of many modern women, including in the sexual arena, is "What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us: Why Happiness Eludes the Modern Woman" by the brilliantly astute Danielle Crittenden. Posted by Brazuca, Saturday, 17 March 2007 1:49:06 PM
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The womans movement accomplished it's goals. It's done for woman in 60 years what men have never done for themselves. And that's given men control over their existence. Men in 2007 are still slaves to the needs of women and society. My Mothers generation, bless their souls, did the hard work expected of them and still found the energy and conviction to fight the fight to be seen as human beings and not property. To be seen as and treated as equals in society. The laws have changed and women have been liberated and are no longer property. Chattel. Men are still not equals and are slavishly bound to maintaining the machine.
Feminism is something completely different and the porn industry is the result of their version of a liberated woman. Woman as prostitute. Lizzie4 was saying porn was dominated by men. Wrong. Women are big players in the porn industry and they are in no way victims. There getting rich and in some circle famous and other women(many)are following to exercise their liberation. It's farcical to watch and hear women cling to their social victim status. Like my ol' Mom says. A woman earning 100,000.00 a year will still be looking for the man to pay her bills Posted by aqvarivs, Sunday, 18 March 2007 4:58:55 AM
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"Third-Wave of Feminism Sells Sex To Young Girls"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256651,00.html "But third-wave feminism is about more than just words. According to Baumgardner, it's about a "joy and ownership of sexuality" and "a type of energy." For marketers of products aimed at young girls, it is also about the bottom line." So, the above article puts a very different spin on the same question. Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 18 March 2007 5:46:51 AM
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So women are now yearning for more structure. There is too much freedom and choice. Men continue to corrupt good women and little girls at ever-increasing rates. Even those men forced to be absent from “their” families just contribute further to those same undesirable outcomes.
How is this possible, and who’s to blame?
You’ve nailed it, shorbe.