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Bigots shield behind conservative facade : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 12/3/2007

Liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows.

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Stephany/tortasaurus, if you have an argument to make, do so by writing an article for OLO.

I notice the Pew figures only provide attitudes of four Muslim-majority states. How many Muslim-majority states exist in the world?

And what would be the attitudes of Israeli Jews toward Arabs (Muslim and Christian)? Are these attitudes reflected in the Jewish diaspora attitudes in countries such as Australia?

Any attempt to answer these questions requires thorough research. Certainly anecdotal evidence backed up by limited polling suggests Muslims and Jews seem to hate each other. Certainly the support given by Jewish groups to racists like Israeli and Pipes suggests levels of hatred at extreme levels.

It seems, Stephany, that you are avoiding the provision of your research methodology and findings here at OLO. What is your reason for this? Don't you want people here to know who you are? Don't you want your claims to be examined and tested? Do you regard being published on OLO as being below your dignity?

Remember the figures. 1.2 billion. You cannot prove such a heterogenous group has certain attitudes without far-reaching and comprehensive research. Instead of making bogus claims and throwing snippets of evidence, present the entirety of your evidence and the methodology used to obtain that evidence.

If you are not pretend to do so, I can only assume that you are an intellectual fraud.
Posted by Irfan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:57:39 AM
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There is none so blind as he who will not see, and none so deaf as he who will not hear. Irfan is suffering from a denial syndrome. However, this isn’t the case with fellow Pakistani (a Malaysian by nationality), Syed Akbar Ali, writer of the book “The collapse of the Islamic Countries”.

In the introductory page he wrote,

“The Islamic countries have collapsed- economically, politically, and even socially. …I have produced or referred to media reports, books, research findings and speeches by Islamic leaders which clearly proves the same. And for those who deny that the Islamic countries are collapsing I have dedicated a whole chapter to the deniers.”(pg v)

Giving Pakistan, as an example of a failed state, Syed Akbar Ali mentioned how the Islamists in Pakistan belittled fellow Pakistani Dr. Abdus Salam for having won the Nobel prize in physics just because he is a Muslim from the Qadianis denomination and called him a “mule”.
“….the Qadianis are great allies of the Jewish/Zionist movement. They cooperate with each other in spitting out venomous propaganda against Muslims on an international base. Zionism is a sworn enemy of Islam since its inception. History testifies that they damaged the Islamic polity by motivating separatist movements. This time they have a protagonist in Qadianism and a ready mule to ride on. The award to Dr. Abdus Salam Qadiani is in pursuance of a common cause of the antagonists of Islam.”

http://www.irshad.org/brochures/absalam.php (A glimpse into Qadiani-Jewish objectives)

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Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 4:26:34 AM
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In chapter 5 (Denial-The fuel of falsehood), Syed Akbar Ali went on

“A lot of Muslim people will most likely get upset with this book. This is a certainty. This is because they are in a state of denial. They feel embarrassed to admit that the problem lies in their religion.” (pg. 85)

So obviously when the Islamists hate anything, the first thing that comes to their mind is to label it as “Jewish”, “Zionist”, “Christian”, “Western”, etc. In southern Thailand, the Muslims are killing and beheading innocent Buddhists. The word ‘Buddhists’ is not even mentioned in the Koran yet the Islamists said, “We will kill all Thai Buddhists.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6260245.stm

It is not difficult to see what Islamists will do to Jews and Christians if they gain an upper hand since the Koran condemns Jews and Christians.( Surah 4.160; 5.51; 9.30). Not surprisingly, Islamists deny that 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis and 2 million Christians died at the hands of the Muslims in Turkey.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm
http://www.anc.net.au/more_turkey_denies_more_recognise.htm

Irfan would have you run round in circles doing “research and gathering more data” to prove that Islamist hate many things unIslamic. Reading the book by Muslim secularist Syed Akbar Ali will give one a much better insight into a Islamist’s psyche rather than reading articles by Islamist apologist pouring out almost-truths and poorly reasoned arguments.
Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 4:33:02 AM
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Irfan,

You are becoming very nauseating.

You wrote: << Remember the figures. 1.2 billion. You cannot prove such a heterogenous group has certain attitudes without far-reaching and comprehensive research.>>

If you know anything about research statistics then you have just told a lie.

If I toss a coin, there is only a 50% chance that my guess (either a head or a tail) is correct.
However, if I were to toss the same coin 1.2 billion times, the following logical statement will certainly be true: "Nearly 50% of the coin tosses would be head (or tail)."

If I grap hold of any Muslim on the street, whether that Muslim is a "moderate" Muslim or a "radical" Muslim, I will not know beforehand.

But like tossing a coin 1.2 billion times, the figure of 1.2 billion Muslims gives a completely TRUE picture, not about any individual Muslim per se, but about the religion Islam itself !!

Such a picture about Islam would be correct whether Muslims population expanded to 2.4 billions or 4.8 billions !!

In statistics, there is no need to research each and every individual in the population.

You're a LIAR !!

Afterall, you are just a typical "moderate" Muslim, who compulsively, and deceptively white-wash your fraudulent religion !!
Posted by GZ Tan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 11:34:20 AM
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Irfan is hiding behind "statistics" as a way of evading issues that he cannot defend.
He will always argue you have not done sufficient "research" that Mulims are anti-Jews and anti-Christians.

Suppose someone were able to research the entire 1.2 billions Muslims population to reach a conclusion. But when Muslim population were to explode to 2.4 billions strong, Irfan would argue that the earlier conclusion is no longer valid. He would argue for more research.

Such is the cunning deceptiveness of a "moderate" Muslim.

Truth is, a "research" is NOT needed in the first place.

If it were ever possible to research every single Muslim in this world, you would arrive at one finding - the nature of Islam in the world.

But there is no need to conduct ANY Muslim research at all. Koran/Quran - the book of Islam would tell you exactly what you need to know - the nature of Islam.

Muslims the world over follow the same blueprint - Koran/Quran.

If a Muslim in Timbuktu is anti-Jews by faithfully following teachings in Koran, then another Muslim far away in Sydney would also be anti-Jews when faithfully following teachings in Koran.

Koran/Quran would tell us a lot about the entire 1.2 billions Muslims population in the world. Conversely the behaviour of 1.2 billions Muslims merely CONFIRM and REFLECT the ideologies irradiating off Koran/Quran.

So far, how 1.2 billions Muslims impress the world is not good, NOT GOOD at all :
1. Islam is anti-freedom, anti-democracy
2. The "honest" Muslims are the radicals, extremists who are not afraid to thumb their noses.
3. The "moderate" Muslims (like Irfan) are the deceptive evaders.

What more can you expect from Muhammad's hoax?
Posted by GZ Tan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 2:37:42 PM
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"You're a LIAR !! Afterall, you are just a typical "moderate" Muslim, who compulsively, and deceptively white-wash your fraudulent religion !!"

Great to see some reasoned argument entering this discussion.

Anyway, I have invited Stephany and her colleagues to present their research methodology and outcomes. They have refused to do so. They are content to throw mud from the sidelines, joining forces with all the other armchair nazis and fruitloops who congregate here. When their evidence is challenged, all they can do is cry "evasion" and "you are just like the rest of them".

My work is done. I tried to reason and engage in a sensible discussion. Instead, it has degenerated into name-calling and personal attacks on me.

Anyway, I have work to do and a real life to live. Adios, amigos!
Posted by Irfan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 3:35:34 PM
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