Keith: “You just will not accept any proposal that is put forward that does not toady to Israeli interests at the expense of the Palestinian interests.”

As I said, I would support just about any imaginable solution that gains the support of most people on both sides.

I didn’t tell you what I personally think about each of the plans I mentioned. I have problems with all of them. But to me, they represent that narrow band of overlap between Israeli and Palestinian interests, and thus the only area of possible agreement. They are the sorts of agreements that could garner majority support on both sides. The Arab League plan does not have that potential.

Toadies? One proposal was negotiated by the current President of Palestine. The other by a long list of Palestinian national leaders, who have credibility in their own society as statesmen, opinion shapers, patriots, freedom fighters, and heroes. Some were deeply involved in terrorism, and spent significant time in Israeli jails. None is a toady to Israeli interests. Likewise, the Israeli negotiators are national leaders, statesmen, opinion shapers, patriots, heroes, etc., including quite a few senior military figures. None are toadies.

You say that these proposals “are not just in their treatment of the Palestinians”. The Palestinians who helped write them disagree.

Israelis like myself cannot represent Palestinian interests. Nor can you. That is something they must do themselves, and some do it quite well. If they say these are good, fair agreements from their own perspective, it isn’t my place or yours to say otherwise.

Keith: “Yet the Arab League proposal which reflects a true desire for a just peace with the exception of the clause demanding the return of the refugees, you simply ignore and turn the focus onto the Palestinians….”

I don’t ignore the Arab League proposal; I simply think it cannot serve as a basis for peace. The demand for a return of refugees to Israel is, by itself, enough to doom that proposal, and there are additional serious objections as well.

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Just a naive question for everyone/anyone who knows the answer.
Where do the settlers come from?

Hey Keith.. enuf alredi of the verbal discrimination and censorship..:) grrr

I've said most of what needed to be said mate.. in terms of broad brush strokes solutions. I realize very few will agree with me, but I do maintain that at the end of the day my approach is the most viable.

If I may borrow a phrase uttered in the mid term of Alzheimers by my late adopted dad "They're all idiots but us"... he said it over and over....

What most of you who are looking for solutions of a 'human rights' nature neglect, or forget..or simply do a 'head in the sand' over is the following:

RADICALS DRIVE AGENDAS.. I think I'll make it a point to simply repeat this in every post I make about any subject until it finally sinks in.

Its the same problem that Professor Raphael Israeli (now scorned by the AIJAC for his 'Muslim population' remarks in the SMH) recognized in his controversial but wise assessment of inter-racial/religious affairs involving Muslims.

Then there is the other point....

EXTERNAL VESTED INTERESTS DRIVE THE RADICALS.

So, you have at least 2 major layers which must be considered.
The 2nd one is not so apparent and will goto extreme lengths NOT to be recognized. But they can be identified by simply doing 2 things.
1/ Look for the money and/or 'sphere of influence' trail.
2/ Look for the religious aspect.

So, such things as the Israel Palestinian conflict can never be understood purely in terms of human displacement and land gripes.
We will increasingly see the exploitation of Aboriginal disconent by outside parties.. the Union movement, the Islamist movement, Indonesia ? Iran ? and any group seeing advantage in the radicalization of a disgruntled group in Australia.

Just like the Dutch & French Resistance could not become viable without the weapons drops by the British, just so the Palestinians cannot without assistance from outside.

So, in the interests of ultimate compassion, I recommend again, removing ALL Palestinians from problem areas at least.. (refugee camps) and their re-location far enough away not to cause trouble

RADICALS DRIVE AGENDA'S.... In Israel/Palestine and anywhere.

and here is a very simple and recent example.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21239882-601,00.html

AUSSIE FLAG TO FLY AT MOSQUES ?

While the idea is accepted by many high profile Muslim leaders... good old Lakemba.. a-gain.....

[And prominent Sydney-based Islamic cleric, Khalil Shami, expressed fears yesterday that hoisting the flag outside mosques would lead to potential violence and further division within the community among factions opposed to the idea.]

Fear of Violence from radicals... Same problem as with the Palestinian issue.

"So, in the interests of ultimate compassion, I recommend again, removing ALL Palestinians from problem areas at least.. (refugee camps) and their re-location far enough away not to cause trouble"

DB you nong. The Palestinians are living on their own land. Try a simple exercise. Substitute 'palestinian' with 'jew' & see how that looks.

Already been suggested Bennie ... with a devastating absence of any comment anywhere.

Like all truths the Israeli cheer squad are forced to face it is ignored. I think they are so one-eyed equivalents such as you suggest just cannot possibly exist.