I agree with this analysis by John. It may seem that some of us critics of the Iraq debacle are being wise after the event. But many of us were sneered at by neocons and warmongers for predicting in 2002 that to invade Iraq would be like wrestling the tar baby, another Vietnam.

Can anyone really say that Iraq is any better off than it was in 2002? Is there any sign of when peace and stability will come? If John's measure of a successful outcome of a war is that you must be better off than before you went in, can the coalition of the willing claim this?

The CotW is hanging on grimly in Iraq in the belief that to leave now would be an admission of defeat. Shades of Vietnam again. In reality, defeat has already occurred and they remain in Iraq in defiance of this reality.

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