Religious right fanatics are hijacking democracy! And guess what--men do not own women's bodies! the only body a person should and can have control over is their own...that old story, you know, the one about eve biting the apple? the one about god being the good cop and the devil the bad cop? sounds like a form of social control that's being rejected by sophisticated intelligentsia these days. you right wingers can rant on all you like but the truth is that the youth of today aren't swallowing the bull. YOU are being phased out...and you can kick and scream in your death throes but when the current generation gets to middle age, your days are numbered!MWA HA HA HA!

Chaps, a hypothetical. You've got testicular cancer. Your doctor says the only way to save your life is to cut your balls off. But you go away, do some research, and come across a promising new treatment that may allow you to live AND keep your testes. You go back to the doctor and tell her you want this treatment. But she insists the new treatment is experimental, life is more valuable than testicles, you're not being rational because you're overly emotional, so you're not really capable of making a decision. She's assembled a team of experts - a couple of (celibate) priests, some female doctors, a left-wing feminazi ethics lecturer at a communist university, and they all say you need the operation. They're experts, clearly they know more about your bodily integrity than you do? Or do you think you have the right to refuse the operation?

Control over our own bodily integrity is one of the most fundamental rights we have. You don't want an operation? You have the right to refuse all medical treatment.

And yet you clearly think it's okay to FORCE a woman to carry an unwanted foetus around in her belly for nine months and then to be strapped to a table, sliced open and have the foetus pulled out of her after her essential organs are pulled out and moved to one side?

To FORCE a woman to lie on her back, legs in the air, have her vagina cut with scissors and large metal objects shoved up her without adequate anaesthesia?

To FORCE her to have drugs pumped into her because doctors think her body can't do an adequate job, have monitors strapped to her, needles shoved into her spine, hooks inserted into her vagina, electrodes attached to her, to deprive her of food and drink for twenty four hours, to stick a vacuum suction device into her vagina? All against her will?

Every last thing I just mentioned is okay by you, to be done to a woman without her consent, obviously, if you're against abortion being safe, legal and available.

The distinction about where life starts and ends is a red herring.

It never ceases to amaze me that when a pregnancy is unwanted, its just a featus, a bundle of cells.

Later in life, when the pregnancy is wanted, the very same person changes their mind and its a 'bundle of living joy' that gets music played to it at month three.

If you wanna kill it, keep it, terminate it, go to term or whatever other term of self serving liguistic revisionism you choose to validate your actions and double standards, then just go ahead and do it. Save us the justifications. Its your choice and its legal. Get over it and stop explaining your actions... its very lame.

Ahhh Trade, you always manage to reduce every transaction to its basest raw emotion.

Let’s trade some volatile derivatives tomorrow instead of wasting time on the abject irrationality of the heart.

Let's not and say that we did.

"Later in life, when the pregnancy is wanted, the very same person changes their mind and its a 'bundle of living joy' that gets music played to it at month three."

Anyone who plays a foetus music at month three is wasting their time. The foetus can't hear until month seven.

And of course a woman's attitude towards a wanted, planned pregnancy that she hopes will end with a baby for her (and her partner) is different from her attitude towards an unwanted, unplanned pregnancy that comes at a time in her life when she is not wanting it and is not able to take on a responsibility that will be hers - and possibly hers alone - for the rest of her life. Duh.