More to the resurrection was that prior to his crucifixion Jesus and the apostles at the last supper dined on Jesus body and drank Jesus blood.
Now Jesus wasn't a big fellow and 13 men can do a lot of damage when they're feasting for the Passover which last 7 or 8 days, depending on ones religious inclination. I think it was Matthew that commented on the tenderness of the "lamb". Kind of highlights the the centrality of the body in Christian theology. No rare event considering that even today they're at it come a Sunday. Christianity. A consuming faith. Pass the blood. I mean the wine dear. God isn't just the trinity. He's a nice light snack.

TWO UN-CHRISTIAN CHRISTIANS

Sells and Boxgum,

Two self-supposed still Christians wont present God’s case to “unclean” dissenters. Herein, Jesus -divine god or historical man- would surely chide you.

Unwilling to discuss: theocrasia, the divinity of Jesus, anomalies between the OT-NT, the ontological argument, sacrifice, or Paul [interventions] or Mark [carpenter]. These are valid topics. A priori pre-supposition, ontologies regarding perfection and comparative religions are also reasonable matters for discourse.

West and I have tried “Dialogue” on many key matters… No good. You know only Rhetoric. Your autistic mindset arrests any encounter with real world knowledge.

On CNN, a non-theist theology professor was asked, why do Christian and Islamic fanatics commit evil? His reply was, many faiths fear the consequences of an afterlife, more than living transient good/civil lives on Earth: i.e., Hate now, be saved later. [Kill the infidels, burn the witches.]

Enthusiastically you have slammed the door on me [and inquiry]. But wouldn’t it be ironic, if, your haughty, puffed-up attitudes denied YOU salvation [if it exists]. I would not defend your salvation, if could. You don’t deserve it, damnation. It would be poetic justice, methinks.

Confronting divine judgement, I would face my [supposed] Maker as “a doubting [questioning] Thomas”, not [you] a hypocrite to Christianity, embracing only a closed Christian enclave, avoiding detestable others. The historical Jesus didn’t like exclusivity and detachment from sinners [unclean.].

-Let First be Last. The Last, First. - You best hope it doesn’t work that way, Pharisee Sells and Pharisee Boxbum.

In the past three threads, you have NOT defended God. You have NOT engaged the tax collectors and prostitutes [metaphorically]. You are Christians by self-proclamation only. Non-Christians in fact. You know the “words”, but not the mission of your own religion. Pitiful bedfellows.

/mor

/Cont….

-- This will be my last post to you--

Sells, you can come out of the closet, now. Vilify me to your heart’s content. That is the coward’s way. Rewrite the truth in Your [Divine-Self] own sanctimonious image.

Sells, calling yourself a Deacon makes my [touch-in-cheek] blasphemies pale in comparison. Even, if there is God, you are not a priest. You seek celebrity and followership , not God:

- Closed not Missionary.
- Shallow not humble.
- Repelling not welcoming.
- Cold not warm. A genius unto yourself and those you con.
- Skeptic to knowledge.
- Living a lie
- An Anti-priest?

Right or wrong: At least, West and I have the integrity to encounter dialogue. We were never opponents. We are not the sceptics. Your are: A sceptic to knowledge. You hate debate. I feel your enmity and the arrogance of a two-bob priest.

- Yes, I hope the First is Last - A hundred Bibles might drown you your sea of self-righteousness - tough.

aqvarivs,
thank you for presenting a good example of what I meant by "offensive language" in my previous posting.
Oliver,
are you sure this is the right place to seek help with your problems concerning religious faith? And if you think a rational debate could help you, is "playing the man (Sells), not the ball" the right way to go about it?

George, it is interesting that you should mention knot theory and I can well understand a mathematician's curiosity and need to find. A few years back, I found myself playing with a computer program called knots that by entering parameters created incredibly intricate and beautiful knot structures. It is not difficult to relate knot theory to the intricate lacework we find in celtic fibre, graphic and sculptural art, illuminated manuscripts, islamic ceramic tile and carved panels, etc ...... to the double helix and recently to string theory. The outraged taxpayer whilst not informed expresses an opinion but more seriously here there is this need to not be curious and that's where we find the great disconnect, ........... the entirely maladaptive.

Contributions that I have put forward to the best of my ability emphasise an open inclusive environment as opposed to a closed exclusive system because it's not hard to see all forms of global influences challenging once held exclusivities and closed systems. From what I've seen of art and science there is a need to shift from closed systems to inclusive world views and broader environments including the infinite environment. We don't need to believe that with the advent of consciousness, we can now step outside evolution, go under it, rise above it, or stop it.... all our actions are evolutionary. We are all artists, we are all scientists and we are all philosophers where we sometimes should start with our best information by trying to forget about the philosophical history of a problem and then just remind ourselves of what we know for a fact and ask probing questions to verify.

If we believe in the importance of the human desire to communicate, we have to believe in reason. Now with the internet we see it is communications many to many. I find this truly significant because it is a meeting place, it is interactive, democratic with a deeper realism and our new enlightenment where the word is not with a teddy (god) but with people who wish to unravel some exclusive knots.

George

Love your defensiveness. Do you think you'll ever sum up the courage to pull it all the way out?

Go back and read my post again. This time try to get past my sense of humour and acknowledge the unspoken question. It's very germane to Sells article.

It isn't the question of the resurrection. Thats just one more example of "Gods power". It's the idea of the necessity of early Christianity to have an example of consuming "the body". An act played out each Sunday. Easter comes but once a year.

The idea of a "society" sitting down to dine on Gods body and to drink Gods blood. How completely pagan. I love it. I always thought it a shame that there was no dance to go along with it.