Abraham Lincoln would have prefered his quote in context and that shows he disagrees with the underlying sentiments in the article.

'Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history... The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless.
--From the December 1, 1862 Message to Congress

and another which clearly shows the side Abe would offer support.

'What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, ... or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army. These are not our reliance against a resumption of tyranny in our fair land. All of them may be turned against our liberties, without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, every where. Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.'
--From the September 11, 1858 Speech at Edwardsville

and prophetically

'Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.'
--From the April 6, 1859 Letter to Henry Pierce et al

Are the values of Lincoln the same as those of todays Israelis and their supporters?

Lincoln was a Baptist.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/liberty.htm

keith

"For one side formerly and officially, has a racist policy which compels only the children of it's majority group to learn how to kill their democratic and peace-seeking neighbours."

Presumably you achnowledge that it is the Palestinian side which has racist policies and Israel has democracy.

After all Muslims, Arabs, Jews, Christians all have the same rights in Israel. All have a vote, equality in the law, the right to practice their religion as long as they don't interfere with the rights of others. I know of no Arab country which allows that.

There are Mosques in Israel, what is the chance of a Synagogue in Gaza or the West Bank?

Yes I will acknowledge the wrongs of the settlers as will most Jews, but will you acknowledge the wrongs of Muslim countries in restricting the rights of Jews and Christians?

You continually criticise the movement of some Palestinians out of Israel (they did not all leave by any stretch of the imagination), will you acknowledge the treatment of very ancient Jewish communities causing them to leave Egypt, Iraq, Yemen Iran etc etc etc? Those people form about half the Jewish population of Israel, They are not chucking rockets and training their children to be suicide bombers against the lands which appropriated their property. They went to work and made a new life for themselves.

When the Palestinians follow the example of these Jews there will be peace in the area.

In this country we have Immans criticising the locals who gave them shelter. The Jews here have never done that, not even those who arrived as convicts in the First Fleet. I am afraid the Arab world has to stop criticising others and look at itself.

You want the Palestinians to follow the example of the Israelis.

Huh, and what? Occupy Israel, steal it's land and repress Israelis?

Again you show you are typical of the one-eyed Israeli apologist:
you cannot even acknowledge the blatant hypocrasy of your own statements.

Keith

You have the perfect example of the reasoning that is causing the continuation of this problem.

Who stole land from whom? And when?

Israel has now rightly returned land to the Palestinians in Gaza and should return land in the West Bank, except perhaps for the Jewish property that was stolen by Arabs in Hebron. No-one is asking for the return of stolen Jewish or Christian property in Egypt or Iraq or Yemen etc.

Regarding the Arabs who left Israel after partition that is balanced by the Jews who were mistreated and left Arab countries. The Christians in these lands were not so fortunate, the only Christian land in the area, Lebanon was changed to a Muslim majority.

Israel has to defend itself from Hezbollah and Hamas for as long as they preach openly the destruction of the Jewish State and indiscriminately kill Israeli populations, Christian Muslim and Jewish alike. (Why do all of the Middle eastern states have to be Muslim I wonder?).

The displaced Jewish communities from Egypt and Iraq were established hundreds of years before the Arab invasions, but sensible people don't dwell on that they want to move on.

The only solution is for the Arab people to do something about their awful governments and move towards a peaceful existance. Israel already has a good track record in this regard having made peace with its former assailants Jordan and Egypt.

And you Keith get yourself a new gramophone record. Better still get yourself a life.

Who is currently stealing land in thne mid east?

Israel.

keith

Israel is not stealing land. It is in fact returning land taken by settlers.

Who has been trying to take control of Lebanon? It is Hezbollah.

How many of the Palestinians who remained in Israel have wanted moved to any of the Arab countries?

Which country in the Middle East has allowed all religions equal rights?

Which country in the Middle East has achieved the highest living standards for all of its people including its Arabs?

Which country in the Middle East has made major advances in medicine and computers and produced the mobile phone?

Why do people in the occupied territories go to Israel to work?

And don't include the occupied territories as part of Israel. Gaza was given to its occupants who responded by killing Israelis and voting a government whose avowed intention is to destroy Israel (they were once ruled by Jordan and never before independent).