bushbred

Who are the "Hebrew peoples". And skill with economics? If you are referring to Jews statistics don't bear you out. Poverty was the key note of Eastern European Jewish communities which is partly why so many became communists.

In this country a large proportion of Jews are not rich. It is only in scholarship, medicine and the arts that a significant minority of Jews reach the dizzy heights. You have believed an old Christian stereotype used to discredit Jews.

I have met some Rabbis who you would not even pick as Jewish if you met them in the street. And when they spoke you would only identify them as Americans.

To Logic.

Come off it, mate. Might be from the bush, but did not come down in the last shower. As I mentioned, had plenty to do with Hebrews, but used the term because unfortunately the term Jew has never rung well in the bush where I come from, and so to me never looks good on paper.

Also your tale about most Jews are just ordinary folk, pretty well repeated back to me what I told you, that from the Jewish race has been born some of the world’s greatest talents. Possibly the only thing I forgot was that Jews are also the most illustrious bankers in history. Hence we have the Rothschilds who are still so strongly connected with the Bank of England, and their progeny in America, the Rockefellers, who intermarried with the Morgans, both families so famously connected with the US Federal Reserve which is non-government run.

It also just happens that the historic Israeli families who over the centuries never moved out of the Palestine precincts had a history of getting on with the Palestine Arabs.

Maybe you can tell, Logic, what has been the cause of the trouble since? Some say it is American influence. There has been a change of mindset, anyhow, the newer Israelis seemingly deadset on nation- building, which some say cannot possibly work in the area without some sort of Arabic genocide.

bushbred

"It also just happens that the historic Israeli families who over the centuries never moved out of the Palestine precincts had a history of getting on with the Palestine Arabs."

Then why did some of the Arabs attack them with hatchets after the Mufti of Jerusalem called for attacks on Jews? That preceded the UN partition of Palestine and the entry of the US. And what about the denial of passports to Egyptian Jews and the edging out of Jews and Christians from Arab lands even when the origins of these communities preceded the arrival of the Arabs with Mahomet's armies? This all suggests a strong militant pressure to Islamicize the Middle East.

I do not think you would like to live in a society with Sharia law. Neither I suspect would most Arabs but literacy levels are low in these lands and regularly denied to women so the people have little capacity to understand the full implications.

As for whether the term Jew has rung well in the bush where you come from I wonder whether you come from Australia. In the south eastern states there is no problem with Anglo Australians. Certainly in Victoria John Monash was a war hero and a Zionist. Both he and Rabbi Dangelow who was the Jewish Chaplain to the Australian Forces during WW2 were given state funerals and the people lined the streets. And neither men were renown for their economic skills.

You have still got me wrong, Logic. As I mentioned earlier, our family was close friends with one Jewish woolbuyer who used to camp in Dalwallinu. It was in bush pubs where the term Jewboy was used much too derogatorally, and why many of us now do not like the sound of the term. Much rather the term, Israeli.

Also you press earlier historical breakouts between Jews and Arabs too much,Logic. They did live together peacefully for much of the time before the inrush of the persecuted Jews from Europe and the Soviets, as any qualified historian will tell you.

What concerns me so much about backing the Israelis too much, Logic, is that it could easily set the whole Middle East aflame, especially if Iran is attacked by Israel with American backing.

Remember that Iran was attacked by Iraq in 1981 with American help. Also the Soviets were more on the side of Iraq. Yet after eight years Iran came out victorious.

Furthermore, who knows what advantages either Russia or China might take in such a war?

bushbred

I am glad that I got you wrong. We do then have a basis for discussion.

However the term Jewboy around Victoria if ever used was only used by a small minority mainly to describe immigrants and not applied to Jews as a whole. Generally the perception of Jews has favourable ever since the First Fleet

It is important to realise that Judaism has been adopted by a huge range of different groups, call them races if you like. Also extensive intermarriage has meant that most Jewish communities resemble the countries in which they have lived. DNA research has shown this although it also shows a link to other Middle Eastern groups. Jews are divided over serious religious differences and whether they integrate with the community at large or stay in in a group together. As a result in Melbourne for example there is no such thing as a single community.

The problem in the Middle East is complex, but in terms of human rights and freedoms most of the Arab countries are badly lacking in our terms. The establishment of the Jewish state of Israel was entered into perhaps with a certain naivety but there are whole generations who are born there and regard it as home, many are multiple generation Israeli.

In addition Israel became home to a large number of Jews from other Arab countries, these refugees roughly equaled in number the Palestinian refugees and comprise approximately half of the Israeli Jewish population. If the debate was remotely even sided concern would be given to these groups and their dispossession.

Iran I think is a dangerous beast. My hope is that if ever they do get the technology to make a bomb, and some expert opinion suggests they can't, the present regime will have been overthrown by the moderates, who will show us the traditional greatness of the Persian nation.

How unfortunate that with multicultural political correctness the exception to the rule has become more of value than the rule. The emotional moment. The trigger. Out weights it's existence in time. That moment, split seconds, do you feel it. Now rearrange your life. Don't let the fact that life goes on at a measured pace, incrementally, disrupt your social hysteria of the moment. OVERREACT. This same strife has been goin' on for sixty years and sixty years from now regardless of the borders they will still be as nasty. Tribal blood. Family feuds. In the name of religion blood ties fade.
No. My God. And if you can't spell it, let me punctuate it with a sam missile. Allah akbar.