Hells Angel... the attitude for tighter immigration is exactly what will cause us grief in the coming years.

Put simply, the rise of these nations is inevitable. There is nothing we can do about it.

If we adopt insular policies and try to hold on to some kind of arrogant superiority complex, what message will that send to the new superpowers?

The greatest mistake we could make would be a failure to adapt to the changing world.

John,

If history taught us anything is that every culture have a cylce of a 100-200 years(rise, maturity and decline). Whether China and india are the new rising super powers is not really the issue but how each culture interact and contribute to the issues of the day.

PS: the word 'west' and 'east' lost their context since we discovered the earth is round.

Peace,

T

I for one look forward to the new demographics.

Most migrants who come here would prefer to stay in their own countries if they had the same economic opportunities there. Most people prefer to live near their own kind. Basic fact of human nature.

If this situation comes to pass you'll only have people living in Australia who genuinely like it, making for a far happier place than the one we've got now.

Sorry, I don't see that at all.

In fact, I see other cultures adopting not only western technology, as they have over the last hundred years, but adopting western morality too.

Despite leftist aims to keep us all seperate, promote cultural traditions - however backward, we will all meld as nature intended.

Given that it is only western morality and law that is built on reason, this will ineviatably be adopted.

One won't be able to say to an infidel, for example, that they are to be treated less than a Muslim, as although a concept in Islamic law, one couldn't in a million years provide reasons other than "God told me so" to show why this should be enacted.

On the other hand, however, western logic, that everybody should be considered equal before the law, i.e, no four witnesses for women as they are equal - not half the value of a man, and so on.

People can't deny the logic of the west's morality, which is why they are all flocking to get here no doubt.

One problem is perhaps the racism of non-western cultures.

As geneticists have shown, only the west has mixed over the centuries with other races, explaining the vast differences in appearance (even within one family) as opposed to the identical appearances of Africans, Asians, and those of the middle-east.

We know that non-western cultures were, are, inherently tribal, and prefer to mix only with their own kind. There are no doubt exceptions, but we still see even in the very mixed in Italian and Greek cultures in Australia a tendency to marry their own.

I myself went to school with Italian girls who claimed their fathers would kill them if they married anyone but an Italian, and this was only ten years ago, so we're talking about third generation.

Studies by Professor Bob Birrell at Monash University show that, for Lebanese Muslims, it's appalling. 75% of the males go so far as to go back to the town in Lebanon where their family is from to find a wife, now there's xenophobia!

This is why there is also so much inbreeding, as to mix with outsiders is frowned upon. We've also seen cases of Muslim males marrying Australian girls being disowned by not only the family, but community as well, and been the subject of death threats.

This xenophobia, this institutional racism, and must be overcome.

I believe that in about a thousand years, non-western races will definitely be dominant in appearance, and there will be a race with Indian-Chinese characteristics, with whites also being mixed to quite a significant degree, the poor whites that is.

I see the wealthy whites being like the Jews of today, living within their own set of rules so to speak, where they dominate politics and business, and especially science, as they do today.

I don't see how you get Muslims into that future though, as they don't have children on the scale they do in Asia. In western democracies it's true that many have seven, eight, nine, kids, but one sees that in their countries of origin this isn't so as there is no welfare state.

I believe that the welfare state in the west will dissapear thanks to immigration from the third world too, as we simply won't be able to provide such advanced services with such large numbers living here from cultures that have no concept of empathy for those outside their tribe.

Which is exactly why such cultures don't have welfare, as the tendency to abuse it, to take it when it isn't needed, is too common.

You could be totally wrong though, as if the backward Iranians get their hands on the supreme of all western technology, the nuclear bomb, there will no doubt be a nuclear war - Israel will definitely retaliate, drawing in the rest of the tribal savages who occupy the area into all out war.

"You could be totally wrong though, as if the backward Iranians get their hands on the supreme of all western technology, the nuclear bomb, there will no doubt be a nuclear war - Israel will definitely retaliate, drawing in the rest of the tribal savages who occupy the area into all out war."

You are such a racist Benjamin, Iranians are far from backward. The apocalypse you describe is about as likely to happen as pigs flying. What would be the point of a nuclear exchange in the region?

Even with only Isreal possessing the capability, it would be stupid of Isreal to resort to such measures as it would be an own goal at the same time. Isreal will suffer just as much.

The nuclear powers are not using nuclear capability to defend 'civilised'living standards, they're using it as a threat to divide the world up between themselves - well at least from a natural resources point of view.... and they don't seem to care who gets in their way either.