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Green fundamentalism : Comments

By Richard Castles, published 1/12/2006

'Repent now or pay later' is the solemn warning of the Stern Report.

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Mr Castles slings the 'alarmist' and 'fundamentalist' mud around with abandon, citing no-one exactly and so smearing many. Then he acts hurt when others give as good generalisations as they get... ever hear of 'do unto others..'?

Richard42, you're recycling old doubts. The Iris Effect (as others have tagged it) is an old favs of Lomborgs & i see the American Chemical Society recently put out that 2001 finding in a press pack http://www.newsguide.us/education/science/ACS-News-Service-Weekly-PressPac-Nov-15-2006/?date=2006-11-20
without, surprise surprise, acknowledging any of the subsequent research. Getting desperate or what!

Evidence contrary to the Iris Effect theory, e.g.
Study Finds Thicker Storm Clouds Over Warmer Tropical Waters, Affect Climate
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/09/020920071736.htm
NASA SATELLITE INSTRUMENT WARMS UP GLOBAL COOLING THEORY
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/2002/200201167312.html
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/D/20024162.html

This link from Scientific American covers it much better than i could..
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00040A72-A95C-1CDA-B4A8809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=5&catID=9

On water vapour, we knew it played a role a century ago, what exactly is the relevance of your reference to SVCs?

I'm pleased to agree Richard that CO2 is not the sole cause of global warming, but then so does everybody who can read. I'd suggest you read any high school primer on the subject, it breaks down the relative roles of CO2, CO, CH4, SO2, H2O, HFCs etc
Posted by Liam, Monday, 4 December 2006 6:40:52 PM
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"Lumpen Scheiser"? What a charmer this Perseus is!

So let me see - the definition of lumpen = misfit and the definition of scheiser = a crude expression for sexual intercourse. The crude word in English, I believe starts with "F". Mmmm - I see this very unusual word was also used in Jenny Mahrosey's (IPA member) website - interesting!

Perhaps someone should advise Perseus that it's a desperate dumkoph who resorts to these tactics to frantically censor opposing views with such imperfect utterances and frothy rants!

And I suspect the froth is all over Dumkoph's PC screen, where his crude attacks are devoid of anything sensible or supportive of his
vitriole against those who are environmentally savvy and entitled to be part of a civilised debate!
Posted by dickie, Monday, 4 December 2006 6:43:54 PM
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West, just an aside. Descartes, observing thought, falsely concluded "I think therefore I am", an error which has had unfortunate ego-reinforcing consequences. If he'd been a bit brighter, he would have concluded "I think therefore thinking is."
Posted by Faustino, Monday, 4 December 2006 7:50:03 PM
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For decades environmentalists tried to debate the issues.
Now tangible evidence is forcing this.
Whilst finally there are talks of greener this and pledges of reductions here, cuts there; for the most part it is business as usual.

All the rhetoric is enough to make you go deaf and all the inaction is enough to make us all go death.
Meanwhile another rural farmer takes his life.
Posted by LivinginLondon, Monday, 4 December 2006 8:26:18 PM
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dickie, I'm afraid your German is as execrable as Perseus' comments. Scheiser if German for s--- not f---. The term was originally lumpenproletariat, coined by Karl Marx for "swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers, rag-and-bone merchants, organ-grinders, beggars, and other flotsam of society." Lumpen Scheiser? Well I guess Perseus might enlighten us on what he meant. Nothing complimentary I expect.....

Perhaps the quality of the debate on this thread suggests that Western Civilization IS on the way to collapse. Certainly, the recourse to bodily functions (excrement, spittle) seems a little degenerate to me.

By the way, why do you use dickie as your alias on this site? Not another sign of degeneracy I hope.....
Posted by Johnj, Monday, 4 December 2006 8:30:37 PM
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I don't feel hurt, Liam. How have I acted "hurt"?
Posted by Richard Castles, Monday, 4 December 2006 10:16:09 PM
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