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Women see red on White Ribbon Day : Comments
By Bronwyn Winter, published 27/11/2006White Ribbon Day should be a time where each man considers his own behaviours, attitudes, beliefs and values he holds towards women.
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Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 10 December 2006 3:05:46 PM
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There was an article in todays Sunday Telegraph, that didn't make it on line, about a female basketball coach in South Australia who has been charged with having sex with a 14 year old boy player.
If she is found guilty I wonder if she will get the same punishments as a male coach would get under the circumstances. Not domestic violence I hear you say? Well, it is still about abusing the body of another. It is still about power, or is it only about power when a male does the act? Posted by Hamlet, Sunday, 10 December 2006 5:35:20 PM
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Some 10 years ago I escaped DV at great financial and emotional cost to my family. No one was there to help – it was all apparently my fault.
My family’s emotional and financial abuse still continues to this day, mainly through the agents of feminism such as family law court and csa, albeit at reduced frequency and severity. So why would WRD organisers come along to insist on my support? To obfuscate and subvert … to justify child abuse? To satisfy some residual primeval female survival instinct? The gall of such arrogance! Posted by Seeker, Sunday, 10 December 2006 6:50:22 PM
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http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/mills/03/mills120203.htm
Public Heaps Scorn on Male Victims of Abusive Women A striking feature of women's violence is that it can be both physical and emotional. Suzanne Steinmetz, now a sociology professor at Indiana University, called "husband beating" the most unreported crime in the United States. According to a 1997 study of New Zealand young adults, women admitted committing severe physical aggression.. Emotional antagonism Violence researcher Victoria Burbank found that women also are guilty of emotional abuse, such as locking a partner out of the house or belittling him. Those who are quick to minimize emotional abuse should know that these tactics have been found to predict physical aggression in marriage. In other words, a woman's emotional abuse can be a catalyst for a physical reaction from her partner. The fact is that taking Gest's accusations seriously challenges our core assumption that women always are victims. In another recent high profile case, actor Christian Slater received several stitches to the back of his head after being struck with a drinking glass. According to news reports, Slater initially told the police that his wife threw the glass at him. Later, after learning about Nevada's strict domestic violence laws, he changed his story Not as simple as it may look The picture of a violent couple is always complicated. Although it is important to note that men tend to harm women at greater rates, what's most often occurring is a nuanced, even imperceptible dynamic between a man and woman in which they provoke each other. Sorting out exactly who is doing what to whom is a matter for a Solomon to decide. But until the public recognizes and begins to grapple with this interwoven dynamic, the true causes of intimate abuse never will be understood nor its sad consequences adequately addressed. Beliefs about men's and women's violence are so sacred and arouse such strong feelings that the thought of questioning them can sometimes evoke violence. After Steinmetz published her groundbreaking book, The Battered Husband Syndrome, in 1978, she was not only derided and denounced, but her children's lives also were threatened. Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 10 December 2006 8:14:03 PM
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Happy Bullet:
"Men are violent towards women". I agree with the qualification of "some" which most people can work out for themselves. "Men do not take enough collective responsibility for this". I agree. "Women are seeing red!!". Don't blame them. "The cause of domestic violence is patriarchal oppression". Of course it is when men use violnce to oppress their women. Around ninety percent of homes are supposedly free of violence so perhaps you should be listening to us instead of those from dysfunctional situations. Supporting WRD can only be helpful. Why would you want to harm such a great idea? It can only help raise the awareness of the wrongness of domestic violence. I am “sexist” for supporting WRD and “liar” for thinking an article is reasonable and heading in the correct direction: yet most of your arguments and links are clearly pushing the "men's" position. There is no logical way you could slag off violence against women without undermining the dysfunctional aspect of domestic violence generally. You want equal rights but men walk the streets without fear of being raped; you want equality but men are mostly larger/stronger and more often take advantage of this to threaten and violently control and harm women. That some women do this is not disputed. RObert: “Still one comment like that (which does not appear to have been supported by other posters ) is no excuse to ignore the rest…” No RObert you jump all over Flood and myself for being sexist and because we see the benefits of WRD and yet missed Leigh’s sexist post. And you refuse to distance yourself from posters who send to links supporting patriarchal religious nonsense and isolated instances of women behaving badly. I am not ignoring anything I just don’t agree with most of your attitudes and think your criticism of WRD is hypocritically gender based, petty and miserable. Yes, we are all human first - that's obvious. However, violence against women is historically men taking advantage of their physical, personal, politcal and financial power to harm and control an other. That undermines my gender's reputation. Posted by ronnie peters, Monday, 11 December 2006 12:07:26 PM
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"Yes, we are all human first - that's obvious. However, violence against women is historically men taking advantage of their physical, personal, politcal and financial power to harm and control an other. That undermines my gender's reputation."
(And women have no part to play in this relationship other than victim. That DV is a mans problem and men ought to leave women to manage the politicalization of DV and fully support male demonization if they ever want women to be successful in bringing an end to DV. What ever women do today does not change the collective guilt of man going back to the advent of fire.) If feminist were honest about their sex and duty to a better society they would concentrate on the females that perpetuate DV. Instead they hide and prevaricate and lay blame rather than include themselves as part of the problem of DV. Men are to blame. 54% of the population is female but, men are the problem. And 10% of the male pop. is gay, so men are actually only 36% of the pop. but, 100% responsible for everything. Who's oppressing whom. Ronnie you bully. Posted by aqvarivs, Monday, 11 December 2006 1:59:36 PM
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My youngest brother kept secret for many years his own sexual assault.
There have been a number of cases where people took the law into their own hands and have killed innocent people who were falsely accused of sexual assault. A gay man was bashed to death because a woman accused him of sexual assault.
More recently a number of people have been charged with murdering a man accused of abuse.
As to Leighs post.
A while ago I saw an article which said something like one of the stongest indicators of DV is an emotionally abusive spouse. Not terribly PC but food for thought.
Erin Pizzey writes about working with violent women, she labels them family terrorists.
http://fathersforlife.org/pizzey/terror.htm