Gee Liam!

That was fantastic!

Iluvatar “I suggest you spend some time in Africa”

Actually I have been there, business trips years ago.

Have you? or are you just shooting the breeze?

“The local warlord “

And is he in the pay of the evil white dudes?

“The local government” I suppose they are part of the white mans conspiracy too.

Now
“After you have done considered all of the above, and worked for a few years in regional villages in Africa (with the villagers), you can come back here and tell us about your views on poverty.

Until then do not presume to lecture us with your western, self-righteous claptrap.”

Well, sweety, the same rules of free speech which allow you to humiliate yourself with incessant whining, are the same rules which allow me to post, what you consider, is my “self-righteous claptrap”.

So, I guess, you can get used to them because, I will be stopping in no time soon, enjoy and learn or suffer.

Liam “good examples of capitalism” oh they are not good examples of anything, capitalism, socialism or stupidity but I guess for your quality of post, such sublety does not matter.

As for name calling, I am used to it. I only respond with like. If you want to keep up your prattle feel free to do so, as I said to the other troll, “the same rule of free speech etc.” I quite enjoy “troll bating” but your responses seem, in comparison, to be more like master bating.

re “shirt fronting”, I would likely be stepping over your shirt, a “two pot screamer” makes for a poor debating foe and with all you bravado and bluster, I would think 2 pots of heavy is well beyond the required level of lubrication.

Well, maybe we can end with a rousing chorus of “le internationale”

In the version I know, the phrase “working class” and “kiss my A**” are part of one of the versus, and another has something about a young lady reclining on the Rock of Gibraltar.

Good lusty stuff, Enjoy!

Col Rouge:
Quite a wide sweeping rejoinder but I notice you didn't answer any of the questions put to you.

Iluvatar:
You have a point about the hardships of African peoples.

It appears to me that a lot of poverty is caused by the cycle of violence and corruption in these places.

My friend's wife was born in Africa - she left because of that very fact. No future. She said Zimbabwe and the Sudan are about as overtly bad as it can get but other countries are just as bad but we don't hear about it.

So, it also seems that we all sit back here in our wealthy "hobbit holes" and pontificate, very few are prepared to DO anything. What to do?

I applaud the celebrities of Bono and Geldorf, not for their soft-touch Aid Concerts, but for their efforts in consciousness-raising in the GXX nations.

How long can we, as moral individuals (well some of us anyway) sit by and not at least say something to political leaders. Just throwing money at the problem is NOT an answer. (Frequently this aid assistance simply lines the pockets of the corrupt government officials).

Any thoughts anyone?

Agreed FU2!

If we look up the leadership ladder, the problem is there.

Although they would convince you it is someone else's doings and a mighty media to assist them.

Or in the case of Africa. Out of sight, out of mind!

It may take the Ebola to migrate before our leaderships stand up and take notice that the cure was better solved from the source.