Saintfletcher (Do we want to be terrorised by Christians that say "Australia is the enemy of God because it tolerates fags?".) Too late Christianity has already declared their jihad on the Australian people just as Christians have declared Jihad against American People.
In the 2004 Family First launched themselves vowing to burn lesbians with the witches. Although Pentecostals were already ripping families apart and running dubious youth camps long before this. Family First’s cry for Jihad is still a mile stone because its marks the date when what you call American style religion spilled its hatred onto the streets in Australia.

I personally recall long before September 11 I commented to a Pentecostal associate that the UN should intervene in Afghanistan to stop the Taliban persecution of women. My associate retorted that the Taliban had achieved a political system that is blessed by god and if women step out of place they deserve the punishment the Taliban provide. Several of her friends had commented over time until we (the U.S and allies) went to the rescue of Afghanistan that they would like to see a Christian party like the Taliban rule Australia.

The liberal party has long been known to have been branch stacked by the extremist fundamentalist Catholic group Opus Dei and we have witnessed its crusade against progress, science and medicine , the Australian way of life and ethics seeping into policy. How long has it been since the word ethic coming out of Canberra was not an oxymoron? It has been most certainly more than a decade. It is the brand of Jesus to push immorality and call it morality. Yes to all the apologists with your bumper stickers “people kill, Jesus doesn’t”. Just remember Jesus is a superstitious fantasy who never penned a word. He/she who speaks for Christ speaks for themselves. No god is so powerful that it is capable of speaking for itself- let alone think for itself. Take a good look at Islam today Christians, it is the mirror image of you

Saint Fletcher,

Scary stuff! Looks like people who consider themselves Christians aren't just at the receiving end of hatred. The last link is pretty funny though. Don't Americans know when someone is taking the piss out of them?

West,

"In the 2004 Family First launched themselves vowing to burn lesbians with the witches."

I thought they were supposed to be Christian? Is that in a press release? Do you have a link?

"I personally recall long before September 11 I commented to a Pentecostal associate that the UN should intervene in Afghanistan to stop the Taliban persecution of women..."

Don't worry not all Pentecostals are pro-Muslim. A google search should locate some who got in trouble in Victoria due to making negative comments about Islam.

Opus Die are a Catholic organisation not a fundamentalist one. They sure have had bad publicity recently. First the Da Vinci code now this.

"Just remember Jesus is a superstitious fantasy who never penned a word."

Oh! I don't even recall forgetting that.

Gee! I thought Leigh was embittered but young West takes the cake here - pre occupied with the homoerotic aspects of Jesus he has taken to Christians like an inquisitor to a Jewish Convert - I can almost see that little bead of spittle forming in the corner of his mouth -

But he is fair - he hates all religions with almost a religious fervor - the first question that sprung to mind mind when I read his ealrier posts was - had this lad been molested by a priest or christian brother perhaps?

Having said that his is a view and he is entitled to it - but to hold something so passionatly and in the fore front of ones mind that it spews out almost every time he opens his mouth is a matter of concern -

I think he is incorrect in what he says about religion - it would seem theists in West' view have a mortgage on bad behaviour - it seems to come with the territory - in Westworldian terms

there is a strange pathology here - the sneekmeister will need to give this some thought

Honestly sneekpeepete and mjpb can you really not see how destructive and ethically devoid Christianity is and the damage it has already done to the Australian Community, half caste indigenous children, homosexuals and divorcees are not Australian? Or is it that you are not blind but just in denial?

There is a lot to be said about many other religions, Fascism, Communism, motorcycle gangs, organised crime, and other groups seeking dominance but Rudd is not trying to paint them as having a glimmer of hope of being respectable. Rudd is saying it is possible for Christianity to some how raise itself from a prejudiced motivated superstition and a fringe lunatic cult to becoming a cult which contributes to society that could be integrated with Australian society. I say it’s impossible as all the Christians on this thread have demonstrated loud and clear.

Christianity is a primitive superstition, this is the 21st century if Moses or Jesus ever existed they are long dead, although I admit through primitive cults the ignorance and bigotry of Moses and Jesus lives on. Still pneumonic plague lives on where there is ignorance of hygiene.

For all your huffing and puffing you still have not come out and admitted what Christians believe happen to non-Christians. I have heard the answer 1000 times in churches. You wont answer because you know for all your belittling of me I have asked the question which pins down the entire ideology of Christianity. The total worth of Christianity is balanced on wether Christians believe non-Christians go to their heaven or not.

It is very important because not one post here was written by God or Jesus , you have spoken for , thought for , decided who to accept , who to hate , who to destroy , who to persecute all on God and Jesus’ behalf without a whisper from them. If a dead blackbird is a sign from god it is because you have decided it such. Wake up sneekpeepete and mjpb you have been telling us, you are God.

I'll attempt to comprehend the evidence I gave on my previous post assuming the point of view from moderate Christian interests.

Why is this terrifying for them too?

I'll copy the links here again for the lazy:

Fox Network interview on the Phelps' sisters

Admittedly this is not recognised by the official Baptist Church, and there are not many in this group. It does, however, represent a new disease of bigotry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m_bIsXhE8Y&mode=related&search=

Now the Amish are the least offensive minority group I can think of in the US. As Quakers, they believe in peace and never tolerate violence. They are good people, and Americans treasure them as their conscience.

Then there is the interview with Bill Mayer on the new film "Jesus Camp" where Christians are copying training methods used by the Taliban, to train young Christians for war. The rational is that Christians must copy Islamic tactics as they believe that the Islamics are winning by extreme fundamentalism. With this, it is symbiont to include bigotry and violent warfare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhUjNRY2L8k
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhT2PtaD0w

I noticed Christians on OLO are quiet on this, I guess they're horrified that such a thing has manifested. I suspect they're just as offended as the minority groups targeted. So what do we learn?

Things have not got this bad, yet, in Australia but we tend to follow trends in the US.

In reconsidering Kevin Rudds idea, this may not be a burden to the church, but rather we could avoid going down that insane path that the US that is gone, which is insane and out of line with basic Christian peace, the stability of good tidings, good will to Australians as family. We are the family: Australia. Our own our path, and ours can only be better than what you have seen.

PS MJPB, I should add to joke "Sainfletcher", I am a Myer Santa Claus. There is such a thing as Santa politics, but that is another story.

Good Night, and Good Luck

I am sorry West - I have no idea what will happen to any one when they die - nor do I care that much - I assume you are asking - almost begging in fact - that someone who proports to be a Christian states that they think you will go to hell when you and other non christians die - just to prove one of your points.

Christianity for me represents a template of conduct and a set of principles - a great deal of the other trappings are of little consequence to me -

- what really intrigues me is yout deep seated antipathy to religion - after all they are not much mre than a codified set of laws based on a belief - a bit like the rule of law -

whether or not you or any one goes to a place called hell, if one exists, is irrelevant - it seems you are already in one of your own making