TurnRightThenLeft,
raised some points I'll address Firstly, Bush is as much a christian as he is a cowboy(all hat, no cattle), or a conservative for that matter. He comes from a family of blue blood carpetbaggers.And the clash of civilisations (they hate our freedoms bull type of thing) being promoted is just as phony . They hate our freedom so much Bush has decided to join Al Queda and evicerate the constitution, endorse torture and warrantless wire tapping(which they've been doing for years, now its just admissable in court), and end Habeus Corpus, etc, You said ' no motive on practical terms' regarding the chimp in charge being complicit in the 911 attacks. The chimp is a figurehead. Sure, he sh!t himself when asked to front the 911 whitewash, and only agreed to answer questions if Cheney held his hand and it was in secret and no notes were to be taken. He emerged with Cheney from his 'grilling' stating that he actually enjoyed it. But Bush can't even go for a pee without asking permission.
In the late 90's there was a think tank called The Project for a New American Century. And they produced a paper called Rebuilding Americas Defences. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm. In it they called for US hegemony in the middle east. But it would be a slow process absent some Pearl Harbour type event. Among the authors of this strategy for US hegemony were the likes of Cheney, Wolfowitz,Rumsfeld, Perle.
So there's your motive. Zbigniew Brezinski wrote in his book ,Grand Chessboard, that democracy at home was a detriment to empire abroad. So there is a clue to a police state agenda.
Are there terrorists? Of course there are. They've been around even before future Israeli PM Begin's terrorist group Irgun blew up the King David Hotel 60 years ago which killed nearly a hundred people. Netanyahu (sp?)recently gave a speech at a celebration of the 60th anniversary of the attack stating that 'We must not confuse terrorists with freedom fighters'.We live in a terrorist wonderland of fundamentalists, patsies, false flag operations, and state terrorism.

Marilyn have you ever considered that there are grey areas where there are wrongs perpetrated by both sides of the debate.

Just answer one simple question.Who will secure the world's oil supplies better than the USA? You rant about injustice but do not address the calamity that will befall the entire planet if Europe,China, Japan,India,USA and Australia are denied energy that provides our basic necessities such as food and transport?You see the USA in many ways are doing the dirty work of many nations who take the high moral ground just like you.

Start looking at the mosaic of the entire blossom,instead of being the selective petal plucker of facts to massage your vision of how reality should operate.Just pulling at the heart strings of injustice,does not solve our problems.

Sorry for the last abbreviated post. Only 350 words permitted.No more than 2 posts per article in any given 24 hour period.
Which makes this site more a place for short opinions than a place for a discussion.
Just want to add, God bless America and its constitution and Bill of rights. Because the puppet Bush won't.
Toss.

Thanks Toss, word

TurnRightTurnleft

Sorry to harp, but I’m not going to give up on you yet.

Indeed, you have underestimated the motive. The US is the most powerful nation on earth, but that won’t last forever without one thing, oil. China understates its military expenditure significantly; both they and Russia are better located for access to the remaining oil reserves. Forget terror, the cold war is still well alive, a permanent military presence on China’s Western Border and around the Caspian sea is fundamental to pax Americana. For an excellent analysis watch this

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&q=

To hear it straight from the horses mouth check out, http://www.newamericancentury.org

Ok, so there’s of plenty evidence to suggest motive but who would ever think of doing such a thing? Well, Lyman Lemnitzer , Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy considered it. And its not conspiracy rubbish, it is documented fact, declassified at the Washington archives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

On the subject of Bush, many in the 9/11 truth movement believe he may be totally in the dark, he is a moron remember. But I suggest you look at some of Cheney and Rumsfelds older foreign policy speeches, they are nuts, but I think they truly believe in their cause.

Now, if you wish to join the 9/11 religion you must recite the holy verse, a verse that after you get sucked in, you will know off by heart.

“The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catalysing and cataclysmic event, like a New Pearl Harbour” –PNAC

Maybe Muslim countries are suffering overpopulation from not having a birth control system . That allied to the fact that they have huge unemployment problems would lead to a great deal of unrest that only they can fix. Poverty and overpopulation go hand in hand.
The Americans should stop electing rich men's sons as Presidents.A leader should know more about how the world gets on. George Bush jnr hasn't got a clue.
What a strange world .

Well for starters your analysis treats terrorism as if it were a natural phenomenon, without human agency, like lightning strikes.

I cannot think of any war that has been ended or won by lunatics treating the killing as if it were a natural phenomenon....... Can you Kath?

Just pretend its like lightning strikes and it will go away?

The other thing is that you are looking at how many attacks we are getting and taking the statistics WITHOUT REGARDS FOR OUR CURRENT COUNTER-TERRORISM EFFORTS.

So whilst you are not a libertarian in any other area you want us to take a libertarian approach to war. And pretty much only try to chase the terrorists after the fact.

Or at least it looks like it. Which means of course that you want Australians dead. And I figure you don't take the public transport too often.