Let's not forget that all of us are immigrants-yes even full blood aboriginals.Humans never evolved here-probably never would.

The pre-goldrush settlers were a mix of obviously reluctant convicts and guards and land hungry opportunists.Then the get-rich-quick goldrushers and camp followers--etc etc.Social pecking orders evolved along lines of
who arrived first axcept in the cases of aboriginals who arrived first,and the British who arrived second.The very early social pecking order often put Irish Convicts below Aboriginals.

HOWEVER the nature of humans is to accept those we get to like.We may have to overcome our feelings of lets say disconnectedness with them.If eventually we see we're rowing the boat in the same direction,there's an eventual mutual respect and even friendship when the situation is ideal-same as ever.

Governments can distort human nature by setting unpredictable conditions for human interplay.Hells Angel makes the big point we have only been picking the"best" immigrants since about 1985.

Not only has this made our average citizen statistically lesser,it has had a big influence on raising the price of urban housing and commercial rents-to the detriment OF ALL.

This alone can lead to the feeling we are NOT indeed rowing in the same direction.Combine this with religious fanaticism used as an excuse to vent feelings of frustration and we see our problems-big money problems,big resentment problems.

Jules 21 says that "ironically when the vulnerable are exploited and large numbers of refugee migration results in ‘human traffic’ trends in the west, people like Benjamin can legitimize their superiority by saying, ‘Ah ha! See you came here because our values are better!"

What, western values aren't superior?

So your fine with having REAL multiculturalism then, not the watered down version we presently practice (tacit assimilationalists, which is what all leftists are as I have never yet met one that will accept living next to people who don't share human rights) where Sharia rules over the Muslim quarter in Bankstown?

Can you, instead of a cheap quip like "right!", actually show me how the principles of human rights are not superior to Sharia, or any other cultural value system used by humans?

Are you so blind that you can't see past the fact that it was created by Europeans, so see it as an exclusively European thing? Everyone should be considered human beings first and foremost mate.

You're not a cultural relativist are you?

If so, come back when you can think...

You betray yourself by thinking in terms of superior and inferior as I don't think I am superior, as you say, I only believe our values are superior.

This in no way likens them to white people, on the contrary, they are HUMAN values as opposed to tribal values specific to some particular culture at a particular time. My values are UNIVERSAL, which is why everyone wants to live under them!

Do you not see this! Or do you think of people in terms of tribes, colours, races, tribes?

How does the west exploit third world nations?

Can you give examples, or are you just, like most leftists, a slogan?

Keep in mind that doing business with a dictator who has ruthlessly suppressed those of other tribes (the natural state of third world cultures) doesn't mean we are exploiting them.

Or should we kill such dictators and impose democracy? Should backward Arab states, who control a vital resource, really be allowed to play GOD with a resource the whole world needs, should we put up with their instability?

Why don't you want them to live under value systems like the wests?

Are you a racist?

Don't you believe that all those people who are subjugated and exploited by stronger tribes want to be subjugated?

In the west, all people are considered equal under the law. There isn't one law for Muslims, and a harsher law for Christians as there is in most Muslim lands.

Isn't this good to get rid of?

Do you think because NIKE or REEBOK go to China that they are exploiting them?

Western companies go to such nations because they don't value life, this is true, but they don't have the power to tell the government to make wages higher.

What you will notice is that the middle-class in such countries don't care about the poor, they are the epitomy of capitalism, like the Taliban - where a war widow can be spat on in the street for begging for money to eat.

In west, we look after the poor. We are humanitarian.

Do you think child miners in England just refused to go to work one day when they were exploited during the industrial revolution?

Things changed because the people cared about those less fortunate than themselves.

We noticed this during the tsunami with western nations, both GOVt and ppl, donating heaps to Muslim Indonesian victims. All non-western cultures, inc. wealthy oil states, donated nothing.

Nice people.

Carbonari,

"The very early social pecking order often put Irish Convicts below Aboriginals." Can you elaborate on your point, please? Should be intresting.

Fully aware that the treat of convicts was cruel, even sadistic; but did not this about the Irish convicts. The British mistreated the Irish in Ireland too, with restrictions ongaining an education. It also touches on the matter of The Crown. I have never heard any Aboriginal Australian slam QE II or her dead relatives.

The Squatters behaved shamefully.

Robert Hughes "The Fatal Shore" detailed the pecking order in
1788--1830 Colony in NSW.Perceiving the cruel disdain with which their
captors treated the Irish political prisoners and the relatively
benign official attitude to Aboriginals [the abuses of the squatters was to happen later]the camp followers found a niche for themselves above the bottom.The early Governors had orders not to treat the native peoples badly,were meant to foster useful contact.Things got way out of control with the Goldrush and land rush.

Regrettably, I also share no such conclusion of an article discussed, which is
"Either we value the migrants who have made this country richer, or we don't".

Recently preparing a submission to Mr Robb's changes offered, would say
"Either Anglo-Celtic (Anglo-Saxon as used to describing more frequently round a globe) majority values the others or it does not".

Although English is of no doubt a substantial common denominator, its perfectness is of a little help to job seekers of biological backgrounds different from the UK-originated.