Tony Kevin makes as much sense as his useless mother and grandmother.Do you hope to include Jack Van Tongeren and Jim Saleam in your migrant vote? What about John Pasquarelli (former advisor to one nation)? Jack is infamous for his indonesian heritage as is Jim for his Turkish background and both are extreme anti-migrant activists. What about forum regular Boazy with an indonesian wife, whose views often contradict your own?

Your revolutionary ideas are passe. Get your head out of the sand and stop dreaming, mate.

What kind of a choice is that? Do we value migrants or not?

Well, in such a blunt sense, yes, and no.

Those who try to turn legitimate concerns regarding sub-sections of the Australian family into racist slogans are deceiving.

Many Australians are happy with the role European migrants have played, but not others. But why is this? Because they're rednecks? Or because they hate rednecks?

It's the latter.

People are entitled to ask what benefit it is of having an Islamic community, or an Asian community, given that most are largely unintegrated culturally.

Some are angry that with large scale immigration from the third world, we've seen our suburbs being turned into the drug capitals, the crime capitals of the country.

Australians, for all their theatrics of the larrikin spirit, and idol worship of the Ned Kelly's, are a remarkably law abiding people.

We've never liked the idea of military coup's, large scale widespread corruption, branch-stacking vote rigging, nepotism, religious leadership, dictators, ethnic tribal politics.

To be honest, I believe that all non-European cultures have to offer are food. I don't mean that in a condescending way, and I say the same about European culture before the Enlightenment.

But as for morality, values, no societies, no cultures, come close to the west. This is why all human traffic flows are directed here, and is why, I believe, that the west has a mandate to turn such cultures, such nations, into western ones.

This is different than to say everyone should be white, or like they are in Darfur, Arab.

But when it comes to our values, there can be no exceptions to human rights. The idea of child brides in Muslim cultures sickens westerners, as it does when we hear of obscure Christian sects that do the same.

Sorry, apart from food, and learning about history, I believe non-western cultures have nothing to offer..........

That makes me not racist, but a humanist. I, as is most of the west, am above race, our values of human rights are universal.

Muslims, for example, have a system of rules for them, and another sub-standard set for Dhimmi's, as Muslims consider themselves superior.

Westerners don't, although in the sense that our morals are superior, yes.

One has only to look at human traffic flows to see that everyone else agrees.

The problem is that many inherently racist tribal cultures want to hang on to their cultures in light of the unconquerable dominance of western culture, of entertainment, of music, of art, of dress, but more importantly of meaning - philosophy, ideas.

Everywhere else is stagnant in this sense, even Asia, where their grasp of western style business has been full-on.

However, Japan never invents anything because it's culture is closed. It manufactures, but doesn't pioneer. This is a direct result of the freedoms of the west which encourage this.

I believe that, even if extremist Muslims defeated the west, slaughtered us all, and the whole world was under their idea of heaven, the Taliban, the human spirit would smash it apart eventually.

Women would want equal rights, just as they did in the west. People long for freedom, and although leftists laugh that off as though one's idea of freedom is McDonalds selling hamburgers, well yes, that is part of it.

Ever heard of a war between Pepsi fans and Cola fans? I guess their weapons of choice could be their fangs, but that's a different story.

Muslim extremists are afraid, as people afraid react violently. It's never been about being white, it's about culture.

The whole world will be Asian looking in a thousand years, Indian & Chinese, but who cares if they all adopt western values?

Western ideology is not a stagnate concept. It will change depending on either side of the political pendulum, hence the processes of democracy.

It is a sad state when one claims that their way of life is superior to any other culture. Even sadder is when one cannot recognize that to judge another human being on their nationality or chosen culture and to then reduce that reality to something less than your own, is racism.

To claim that human traffic flows (i.e. migration to the west) is a sound example of the superiority of western culture over any other is ludicrous.
These so called Non-European nations that have experienced large amounts of refugees in most recent times are largely linked to social upheaval or warfare. In most cases you will find this comes in some way or another in the form of exploitation of natural resources by Western nations. The abuse of power by the West namely the United States and Bush, the terrorism of Israel in Lebanon will only continue to fuel hatred within Arab nations. Injustice is the fuel for extremism, and until the West is accountable for its abuses of power, extremism will continue.

Ironically when the vulnerable are exploited and large numbers of refugee migration results in ‘human traffic’ trends in the west, people like Benjamin can legitimize their superiority by saying, ‘Ah ha! See you came here because our values are better! Right

I guess if you think about it the real australians are the aboriginals (as they where here first). Its also a fact that some aboriginals dont speak english , useing John Howards logic then they shouldnt be here ..seems a strange double standard that migrants are expected too learn english yet our original inhabitants are not ( not that I would expect them too either as they are the original inhabitants ) ,maybee us "real" Australians should learn a aborignal toungue.

LOL, thanks for the laugh Jules. What's that saying? There are none so blind.... seems to me you've swallowed a lot of propaganda or is it you are just too biased to accept reality.

tassie... Aboriginals didn't have one language. There were many many tribes some no bigger than a family. BTW, they weren't the first Australians... in fact, many still don't consider themselves Australian. happy reading.... get back to me when you are up to speed.