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Razor's Edge : Comments

By Avinash Dutt, published 26/9/2006

The Indian Muslim feels both hemmed in and pulled apart. Will anger and despair find refuge in extremism?

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It would have been good if the author had explained by Indian Muslims are disillusioned by both Muslim and non-Muslim leadership in India. Failure to do so raises the inevitable question: are Muslims ever anything but out or sorts with everybody else? After all, most people become disillusioned with governments at some time. Do the Hindus etc. feel the same? Or, is it just Muslims?

At the time the author asks, ‘No wonder Muslims, especially the youth, are confused’, he still hasn’t given any reason why we should not wonder. Except, perhaps, for the reference to India’s taking an Israeli approach to terrorists. Is that it? Do they want to be terrorists?

Further on, there is mention of discrimination and intolerance. But surely, that’s nothing new in India – from all of its fragmented groups.

Police have been ‘picking up Muslims everywhere’. Why? Are we supposed to believe that innocent Muslims are being picked up on a whim?

All reason goes right out the door, though, with the theory that Israel bombed Mumbai to embarrass the Muslims.

Well, here’s another conspiracy theory – this author and many others are dreaming up anti-Muslim stories to work up fundamentalist into a rage ready for an all out push against the non-Muslim world. If enough people believe in the woes of being a Muslim, they will even start giving them excuses when it starts.
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:11:32 AM
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Indian muslims turning to violence. It will never happen. Islam is a religion of peace.
Posted by Sage, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:46:32 AM
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QUOTE “Wherever I go, people, especially the youth, come to me ask what shall we do in face of discrimination and growing intolerance for Muslims. Men whose sisters were raped in front of them and the perpetrators are roaming scot free feel maddened by rage. And I can say nothing,” Madni says. UNQUOTE

Gee, it seems to me that this is exactly what Muslims want. Do any of these cases satisfy the requirement that four adult Muslim men, 'all of a pious and trustworthy nature', must have witnessed the attack and be willing to testify. Women and non-Muslim witnesses are unaceptable. So, probably, the rapes never occurred. And if you said in Pakistan, for example, that they had, you'd be the one thrown into gaol, not the rapists.

And, let's face it, in countries where Muslims are a majority, they don't seem to have any problems raping Christian women or burning down Christian churches. Why should they expect better for themselves in a country where they are a minority. Isn't that fair?

I'm a little tired of poor hardly-done-by Muslims who don't like being badly treated and want to reform the law of their adopted countries but aren't at all interested in working for reform of their countries of origin.
Posted by Kevin, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 2:08:56 PM
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"There might be a few wrong elements", Well those few wrong elements can create a world of chaos and bloody death. So I would be looking to root out every single wrong element. Then the innocent persons can escape the stain of suspicion.
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 3:09:18 PM
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Leigh, two points there - firstly, you say he hasn't explained why they're disillusioned with both muslim and non-muslim leaders.

I say he has - non muslim leaders are forcing muslims into a corner, and muslim leaders are unable to help.

In terms of your last comment... I can see where you're coming from, but can I ask this - is there a point where you will believe the muslim people are being unfairly victimised? what has to happen? Or would nothing convince you?
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 4:27:51 PM
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Leigh, let me answer your questions one by one. Indian Muslims are disillusioned by both their Muslim and non-Muslim leadership because most of them feel that their issues were not addressed fully by the leaders they backed in successive elections. Since independence India has seen hundreds of communal riots, mainly between Hindus and Muslim, in which thousands of lives were lost. Of those who died majority were

Although all types of litigations takes years before reaching any logical end in highly overburdened Indian judicial system, criminal cases related to communal riots fare even worse. Hardly there are convictions in cases related to communal violence. Even those political parties and leaders who get bulk of Muslim votes don’t press this issue as they think that by doing this they will risk their support base among majority Hindus. Muslim votes give them edge over their rival in the race of power but it is the Hindu votes form their political base.
On social indices like levels of education, percentage of people below poverty line the community is on much lower pedestal than majority Hindu community or other minority communities like Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists.

Now your second point, “Do Hindus feel the same?” No. Even among Hindus dalits or untouchables who were at the bottom of Hindu caste structure are not disillusioned. The constitution has provided for strict measures against caste base discrimination. The dalits in last few decades have succeeded in politically organising themselves and have succeeded in clawing their way up on the social ladder

The Muslim youths are confused because they don’t know what to do come out of the quagmire. Though, India is a vibrant and transparent democracy, it hasn’t benefited Muslims in a way it benefited other sections of the society. They have lost faith in police, judiciary and political leaders. Their moderate leaders who ask them not to take the recourse of terror don’t have any other alternative to suggest.

I will answer the remaining in my next post including your take on conspiracy theory
Posted by Avinash Dutt, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 5:27:34 PM
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