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Too little time : Comments

By Emma Simone, published 30/8/2006

Shared responsibility and equal parenting time should happen before relationships break down if there is to be any chance of it happening after.

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Maximus - left wing government implementation of Marxist ideologies

I would never have drawn such a long bow but can see the reason in your suggestion.

Obviously, it is why Margaret Thatcher, a fervent anti-Marxist, expressed it this way

“There is no such thing as Society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.”

In promoting the idea of “family” she denounces the myth of “society” and is, thus juxtaposed to the left wing rubbish of the socialist cause – especially the noxious arrogance of Whitlam.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 6 September 2006 4:21:54 PM
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Trade,

Even with the latest reforms, “imputed income determinations” or “Capacity to Earn” as we like to call it, is here to stay – NB, the key words are “to make lifestyle choices such as caring for new children”.

“Parents can be required to pay additional child support (or receive less) if the Child Support Agency determines that they have a higher capacity to earn income. This happens under the Change of Assessment process.

This change more clearly defines under what circumstances 'capacity to earn' can be considered. The new criteria are more flexible for parents to make lifestyle choices such as caring for new children.” http://www.csa.gov.au/legal/2006.php

You may be right about some of other punitive measures we don’t yet have here, however that may only be true for men without assets. I’d like to see you keep any of yours, if you decide not to pay up on your arrears. Your ability to metamorphose gender may be an effective way to reduce your capacity to earn. Is it fully reversible?
Posted by Seeker, Wednesday, 6 September 2006 8:57:33 PM
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Damn, l wasnt aware of that nonsense. Ah well, they build bigger mouse traps, nature makes better mice.

What about this from CSA link?

"Current research shows that non resident parents on high incomes pay Child Support at a higher rate than the costs of raising children.

The income cap, or the income above which no additional child support is payable, will now be calculated using 2.5 times the yearly equivalent of the 'all employees average weekly total earnings' (EAWE) rather than the 'full time adult average weekly total earnings' (AWE).

This will cause a reduction in the income cap amount from $139,347 to $104,702 for formula assessments where the child support period started in 2006 and from $130,767 to $98,280 where the child support period started in 2005. Changes to the assessment applied from 1 July 2006 only."

Does this mean that the "Parents can be required to pay additional child support (or receive less) if the Child Support Agency determines that they have a higher capacity to earn income" up to a max of 2.5 times EAWE with a current income cap of $105k? Or does it mean that the max cap can be lifted in light of a higher capacity to earn income? And how can a parent be required to "receive less" if "they have a higher capacity to earn income"?

There are so many ways for the proactively assertive to mitigate exposure to opportunistic abuse of CSA money train, this forum prolly not appropriate place to discuss.

CSA refers to its subjects as 'clients'... priceless.

ps. me no have arrears (no have kids)... and gender transformation only needs a change of attitude, drugs are for sexual biology.
Posted by trade215, Wednesday, 6 September 2006 11:12:24 PM
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trade there is a fantasy series about a torturer and in the series they refer to their victims as clients as well. Maybe someone at C$A likes recreational fantasy as well as the fantasy that they are in some way helping either children or the taxpayer.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:09:25 AM
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Trade,

Divorce planners and CSA use this calculator to determine value of prospective clients:

http://www.csa.gov.au/calculator/index.php

It is a good modelling tool and quite accurate. Breadwinner incomes should be maximised at time of breakup to establish a good “capacity to earn”. After that, you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that you lost your job and cannot earn the same amount. Oh, and there’s the automatic increase every year by several percentage points of your “capacity to earn”, since the time you’ve slacked off.

Of course, women can decide to earn less by having another child for example, which means they could get more child support (or less, if they earn more), although what they earn carries much less weight, and anything below average does not even count.
Posted by Seeker, Thursday, 7 September 2006 9:29:32 AM
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Cant ya just push everything thru a trust or company, pay yourself a wage of own determination reflecting tweaked capacity and circumvent the whole thing?

Seems counter productive maximising income of primary earner prior to divorce. Would it not make more sense to reduce income, get the spouse working, at least part time, maybe encouraging them to study (acquire own capacity to earn)?

Ah well, lm not attached, no kids, always very 'careful'. Might get snipped soon. They're calling it a 'strike/boycott' these days... whatever. These policies dont directly effect me, tho, as a finance person, l do find myself increasingly answering these sort of money questions for friends (clients? ;))getting the shaft. Quite frustrating seeing friends getting their lives turned inside out, having the kids used (and often turned) against them to justify a cash grab. There's many bitter custodial parents out there with little compunction endulging as much scornful revenge they can. Need to get over their failed prince/princess fiarytales, grow up, be reasonable, get on with life.

l basically advise those in this predicament to 'go cash' and/or set up a trust and pay themselves minimum wage. They get paltry C$A assessment, then do the decent thing and top up, in cash, to the amount THEY, the earner/payer, deems appropriate for a level of care that THEY require for their kids... 'who has the gold, makes the rules.'

Keeps everyone civil. None of them evade their obligations, while the kids rot and starve, just for the sake of punishing the ex. Someone has to be the grown up and rise above cynically using and punishing the kids to extract a pint of blood from the ex.

Their kids NEEDS are adequately met, tho ex is pining for another widget and trying to get the ex to pay for the upkeep on a couple of investment properties they managed to grab or acquire whilst getting generous support, benefits and working for cash. Easy to bring these fools undone, a call to the ATO and DSS and they do the rest, if one is inclined to malevolent reciprocation.
Posted by trade215, Thursday, 7 September 2006 5:00:23 PM
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