Madden

Is that a meaningful response, an attempt to exchange ideas with a view to solving problems? T.S.Kuhn is drivel?

And I don't believe in what you call "creationism."

I'll let you direct your hatred elsewhere by withdrawing from this so-called debate.

Yabby

What do you know? How many victims of pornography have you interviewed systematically? How many scientific studies have you read?

Can't stand the heat. Get out of the kitchen.

Sorry I should have a sign saying "does not play well with others".

I live in a country where "vigorous debate" is cherished, if you wish to withdraw that is your prerogative.

Just because you assert something does not mean I agree, maybe you should look at the 37 million people in your country with no health insurance.

I suggest that you cannot answer the allegations of your societies violence towards ALL of its citizens.

Goodbye, good riddance.

"What do you know? How many victims of pornography have you interviewed systematically?"

What I know HL, is that I've lived in both Europe and Australia
for long periods of time and I'd hardly know a guy who at some time
did not watch a porn movie or see some magazine. I don't know a
single one who became violent because of it. What seems to matter
is their overall view of violence, the rights of others etc.

Thats the real thing that blew me away, when visiting the US, in
comparison to Europe or Australia. The lack of compassion,
the acceptance of violence as just part of life, the promotion
of the gun culture, ignoring the rights of others etc. Its a
real surival of the fittest mentality that is promoted, to hell
with anyone else. The net result is thats what people do. You
it seems are trying to blame all that violence on just porn,
excluding all these other factors. So think about it for a minute.
Why do so many men and even women, see the odd bit of porn and
not become violent? Perhaps you need to broaden your focus
when it comes to violence

HL,

Just in case you should keep reading...

As an Australian I again want to ensure that you don't get the wrong impression.

I can say that vigorous debate is fine but comments like "OK for your pea brain HL" are not considered fine. We have an expression "playing the man instead of the ball" to express the dissatisfaction with that approach.

mjpb.

Have you listened to federal parliament lately? Pea brain was an apt description for someone who wants to "take their bat and ball and go home".

Mr Costello labelled Mr Beazley "the Skipper" in parliament yesterday.

He later elaborated, saying Mr Swan was Gilligan, Mr Rudd was the Professor, shadow attorney-general Nicola Roxon was Mary Ann, Simon Crean was millionaire Thurston J Howell III and education spokeswoman Jenny Macklin could play his wife.

Ginger Grant, the marooned movie star, would be the perfect role for Labor health spokeswoman Julia Gillard, he said.

I am only following our estimeed political leaders.

I find that using the book of an obscure philosophy professor (who's work has been criticised by many) to muddy the waters about scientific research means HL got EXACTLY what he deserved. :)

Steve Maddon, Yabby thanks for your efforts in rebutting the claims of HL.

On the one hand HL calls for real data and scientific studies and yet continues to post quotes which indicate a belief that the issue is clearly decided and proven.

No serious attempts by HL to address the issues others have raised, rather a continual pushing of a particular beief system and a distorted view of the harm done to those view (the some porn is based on sex slaves therefore all porn involves sex slaves approach).

Thanks to you both for your contributions.

R0bert