Thanx Chris
appreciate your dedication to the cause :) I'll view the information you provided later today.

but..tap tap tap... you still have not given me the gold :)

I'm trying to work out if you are providing all this information simply to undermine the Bush/Blair/Howard trinity of 'evil' as you see it, and then allow democratic processes to produce alternatives OR....
whether you are attacking them because you have an alternative ideological position you are seeking to advance.

Would you mind clarifying this important point ? Thanx

BD,

Just to clarify mate, no I am not a holocaust denier, in fact I speak out the way I do because I am genuinely concerned that facism is coming back in fasion. No I am not employed to spread disinformation. And no I do not have a pre-determined fixatedness with conspiracy theories, I have never subscribed to a conspiracy theory and I believed the official stroy about 9/11 up until only late last year.

Dave's Reply (Part 1 of ?)

Dave, the robot doesn't allow the space for the kind of thorough reply I would like to give. Likewise I have had no success in producing a lead article (yet), which doesn't look like the ravings of an anarchist nutter.

1. I have no "isms" whatsoever - no loyalties or strongly held views. I never read Marx, never had a philosophical education (other than classical literature), never been involved with any church. From my egocentric point of view, I see myself as a blank sheet. Until the age of 40, I did all my "writing" with a soldering iron at an electronics workbench. A move to a mining locality precipitated a fascination with the extractive industries.

2. I did join our tiny local Labor Party in the days of the Kennett Govt, because I was alarmed by the selloff (theft) of public utilities. I resigned when Oppo Walrus resumed the federal leadership.

That's my history in the smallest possible nutshell.

Right now I feel that I am back at Uni, with the whole library of the Internet at my fingertips. The fellers who claim that my history books contain only the history that's "fit to print" are right. You do get led astray by those with an axe to grind, but in most cases it's possible to isolate something back to it's origins in an official document, or in the words of a perpetrator himself.

Cui bono - "Who gains?" - is a wonderfully sharp tool.

Pehaps it's time to quote Maj Gen Smedley Butler (US Marine Corps) who was America's most highly decorated hero at the time of his death in 1940:

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."

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As you would have heard Jihad Jack Thomas, or JJ, has been put under a control order.

Thomas has been told to remain in his Melbourne home under curfew between MIDNIGHT and 5am.

Under the Anti Terrorism Act, control orders can be used where they substantially assist in preventing a terrorist act or where a person has trained with a terrorist organization.

The orders must be issued by a court – in JJs case it was the Federal Magistrate’s Court. A spokesman of the Court said the Court issued the interim control order after the AFP was able to satisfy the court it was necessary.

The AFP's case before Magistrate appears to have been fears JJ could use his al-Qaeda training and a possible family link to terrorist organization, JI to carry out a terrorist act in Australia.

A confirmed control order can last for up to 12 months. The penalty for breaching a control order is up to five years in jail.

This might reduce the substantial security resources necessary to keep tabs on JJ. These resources would be better used against less well known terror suspects.

[reference to Four Corners interview deleted]

aka Spooky Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com

Considering JT has had a totalitarian fascist state curfew and travel restriction placed upon him, by a secretive court using alleged unsubstantiated suspicion, and not allowing him representation. Should send signals of panic through sensible people in the community. He's been convicted on the grounds of “reasonable belief”, without evidence, right of defence or reply. Welcome to our police state and associated monotheistic lies, suppressions and psychopathic behaviour, that goes with it.

The comments on this thread from Judea christians, show how rabidly racist they are. The man hasn't committed a crime, he has the wrong religion. Why aren't Jewish organisations actively fighting for, and supporting financially, Israelis terror war machine arrested and tried as supporters of terror.

Simple they have the right religion and their verifiable murderous actions, are acceptable over someone who checked out a different lifestyle, came home and hasn't caused harm to anyone.

But by his belief, he's a threat to this country. Yet Judea christians, through their beliefs, are supporting his suppression with their bigoted hypocrisy. However we all realise when it comes to logical rationale, the world and followers of Yahweh are totally bereft.

The real threat to this country, is from those running it and the constant snipping by monotheists drooling to inflame situations. Until, they can get their warped justification to suppress anyone not bowing down to their Yahweh, nor supporting their global war on peace.

We don't have a secualr state, we have a religious dictatorship trying to pose as seperating state and religion. Whilst doing the opposite.

CHRIS....ok.. thanx for that. I now have an idea of where you are coming from.

You know the scary thing about you ? :) you have the same technical background as ME... GRRRR haha...

Well.. let me encourage you to direct more of your energies against the RRT2001 in Melbourne, rather than 9/11 "us or them".......

It worries me when a 'techo' has such a weird spin on the obvious :) reflects badly on me *whine*.....

Why not try the 'half split' method.... look into the 911 thing, and see where the problem exists.. then work back etc.. Or.. to use A to D converter terminology 'Successive Aproximation'.... I don't doubt for a moment that there is a bit of 'spin' surrounding those events.
But I also don't for a moment think that any democratic government would even look sideways as using such a scheme to promote its imperialist agenda.. don't you remember the Vietnam war and the Nixon tapes etc.. I mean.. u just cannot get away with such things in the USA.

On "Jack"..... I wonder, did he really falsify his passport ? If so..this in itself is a very serious crime. I heard Rob Stary foaming at the mouth again this morning "There is no evidence IN AUSTRALIA suggesting that he is guilty of any terrorist act"..... Yawn.