How gullible you are. It was the notoriiously vile Pakistani Intelligence services that "claim" there was a "terr'ist" plot against some airlines and some muslims were arrested only on that basis.

Reid claimed they had been following the people for a year but the Pakistanis claim they knew nothing about anything until 2 months ago or two weeks ago depending on which day they tell the story.

An enormous amount of paper was used to describe something that didn't happen, based on no evidence that it was ever real and on the basis that they didn't know when it was going to happen. The Mi5 have stuffed up so many times they are a joke and Michael Chertoff of Homeland security didn't know Katrina was going to drown New Orleans even when he was told 6 months before it happened.

Talk about hysterical, bigotted drivel.

Since Condi the moron stated that we would see who wanted peace after the UN brokered ceasefire the Israelis have tripled their forces in Lebanon and murdered another 20 or so civilians.

Guess Condi of the Iraqi fiasco should stop brokering peace - 58 months now as Afghanistan descends further into hell and Iraq is a catastrophic failure.

We do still have such a thing as innocent until proven guilty, trials and little things you know you war mongers.

Marilyn Shepherd

You can smother me with me kisses, you can smother me with dreams. You can always be the mistress of my schemes.

But the sand is a very special thing, it can leave you at the stop. It can keep you standing naked in a jar.

Another ship could find you and now's your chance, and now's your chance.

Another ship could find you and now's your chance, and now's your chance.

Just like Leila Khaled said, just like Leila Khaled said.

Meeting people round the table, trying hard to get excited for your brand new name. Bringing friends all round for dinner ...

Just like Leila Khaled said, just like Leila Khaled said.

There seems to be a lot of accusations of targeting civilians.
As Hezbollah is not a Lebonese defence unit then all their members must be civilians ! Seems straight foward to me.
If you act in a uncertain way or in a place where some action takes place you would become a target. Can't see what the fuss is all about.

UriAvnery states on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14522.htm

"The war has proved that Hizbullah is a strong opponent, and any political solution in the North must include it. Since Syria is its strong ally, it must also be included. The settlement must be worthwhile for them too, otherwise it will not last.

The price is the return of the Golan Heights.

What is true in the North is also true in the South. The army will not defeat the Palestinians, because such a victory is altogether impossible. For the good of the army, it must be extricated from the quagmire.

If that now enters the consciousness of the Israeli public, something good may yet have come out of this war."

Since Vietnam guerrillas, terrorists or whatever you wish to call them have had the upper hand. Each bomb sent into Lebanon strengthens the resolve of people to either join Hezbollah or sympathise with them. That is, the Israelis and USA is doing the recruiting for Hezbollah and other terrorists in the Middle East.

Lets hope that the cease fire holds, but with all the saber rattling that has been occurring by Hezbollah and Israel, the cease fire is exceptionally fragile.

The terrorists don’t believe we, or any man, apparently, has an expectation to life. The terrorist have shown that they can commit, intend to commit and are committed to intentional, indiscriminate killing of innocent strangers.

What greater disparity could there be in the beliefs between the terrorists and ourselves?

What makes this so devious, so desperately troubling, is this. A part of the terrorist movement has, will have or wants to have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction (WMD). The actions of the terrorists to date tell us that they are released from our inhibitions to kill indiscrimately by using nuclear weapons and other WMD.

And the terrorists are being encouraged, fueled and even driven toward the use of WMD by the likes of Iranian President Ahmadinejad, various imams, mosques, madras’s, political activists and others. In fact, throughout Pakistan and other Moslem nations, terror has superseded a religion.

This means, for the terrorists, all treaties, all normal forms of the so called “laws of war,” and all the normal underpinnings of negotiation are off the table.

To put this in a nutshell, Israel, has been using a conventional military force bound by restrictions on the indiscriminate killing of civilians, to find and kill people lobbing unguided rockets into their civilian population with no restrictions on their use of indiscriminate killing; a kind of asymmetric warfare of the most heinous sort.

John E. Carey
http://peace-and-freedom.blogspot.com/

2 Bob,

My comment was to clarify that resolving the land and borders issues is in everyon'e best interest and Israel is on the top of this list.

Its starts from Israel agreeing and defininf what their own borders are. Using the BS scare tactics of 'arabs hate us' is not a part of the solution.

Most arabs will agree that all they need from Israel is a Palestinian state, respect of legally defined borders and internationalise Jerusalem. Yes there is more right wing position but its in the minority.

Israelis are still debating on their borders among themselves.
Israel agreed its western (and easter borders with Egypt and Jordan. How hard is it to neogitate the same re Sheeba farms and Golan Heights?

Perhaps its time to stop the blame game,