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War crimes, waffle and the war on terror : Comments

By Clive Williams, published 9/8/2006

War crimes are being committed in the Middle East.

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Wars of extermination - aren't you a nice soul. What on earth do you mean? We should exterminate all the owners of the land because we want the oil?

Scary, ugly creature.

The IDF admitted that the so-called Hezbollah rocket launcher photo that they released was 2 days old - that there had not been any rockets fired from Qana at the time. It's strange that Hezbollah always send their rockets during the day giving everyone plenty of warning though while the IDF cowards drop 450 kg bombs on sleeping children in the middle of the night.

Now that is a war crime.

It is ironic though that the Nuremberg principles and most of the great human rights law and international law was spawned due to the west's war of extermination of the Jews and now the Jews think they can simply over ride those laws and blackmail the world into allowing it.

Well, not in my name.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Wednesday, 9 August 2006 7:58:13 PM
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Clive,

A useful article. I'd only add:

a)that, in relation to Hezbollah's culpability for war crimes, its rocket fire was in response to Israel's massive attack on Lebanon on July 12 and that Nasrallah has declared that it would cease if Israel stopped the air-raids which forced Hezbollah's hand in the first place.

b)that, by suggesting that many Israeli war crimes are down to mistakes/rogue elements within the IDF, you let Israel off the hook too easily. Human Rights Watch, for example, finds "a systematic failure by the IDF to distinguish between combatants and civilians" and notes that "In some cases, the timing and intensity of the attack, the absence of a military target, as well as return strikes on rescuers, suggest that Israeli forces deliberately targeted civilians."
Posted by Strewth, Wednesday, 9 August 2006 9:09:56 PM
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Keith,

Israel originally sought to provide the Lebanese Government with the necessary wiggle room, from which to escape having to admit that they supported, unequivocally, the actions of Hizbollah, notwithstanding their refusal to implement either UN Security Council Resolutions 425 or 1559, and placing Hizbollah on the border.

The Lebanese Government squandered this opportunity, instead praising the actions of Hizbollah, which does not even have the support of the majority of Shiites, Amal does, let alone the support of the majority of the country. This support for a minority party, who dragged the rest of the nation into an unwinnable war, demonstrates the Lebanese Government’s willingness to involve itself in this war, as stated in an interview on Lateline, by the Interior Minister, Dr Fatfat:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1703362.htm

That being so, if the Lebanese Government will not seek to disarm Hizbollah unless they have been convincingly, resoundingly, humiliatingly and utterly defeated, what is the Israeli Government to do, given that the vast majority of Israeli’s are sick of the constant bombardment, and members of the Knesset, are aware that anything short of absolute victory is political suicide?

The Lebanese Government is holding out for a less humiliating end to this war which will not be forthcoming, a good diplomatic solution requires military position. The Lebanese Government is in no position to dictate terms to Israel:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=109453

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3288359,00.html

As to the remainder of the ‘Sunni’ Arab world, do you really think that they will intercede despite the head cleric of the Wahabbi’s issuing a fatwah that to do so means damnation, will they?

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/95548

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525810323&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The translation of which is here:

http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/bin_gbrin_the_greatest_wahhabi_s.htm

Yes, they posture and say they will, but I don’t think that they will risk it. Egypt who would lose their status as most preferred client with the USA, Saudi Arabia, whose rulers are in power only because of the USA, or Jordan, on behalf of Lebanon/Syria/Iran?

Not likely, the Sunni hatred of the Shia is greater than anything bar the Shia hatred of the Sunni (nearly matched however by the Jordanian’s hatred of the Saudi’s & Alawites (Syria)).

Inshallah

2bob
Posted by 2bob, Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:47:39 AM
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Am with Keith.
How does Israel "warning" Lebanese that they should have to move out of their own homes in their own country somehow then absolve Israel of later massive casualties inflicted on civilians who have nothing to do with what goes on in Israel, the West Bank or Gaza?
Who the F- do the Israelies think they they are?
Only one other nation on earth also claims the right to play God to the extent that heavily-armed Israel does, and that is the U.S.
In respect to this aspect, the Plerdsus offers a useful comment. This comment locates the Lebanon as exemplar of a reality: the horror that is the WHOLE captive Middle East, of post WW2 history.
Marilyn Shepherd' comment concerning Netanyahu thus provides interesting evidence to the forgotten fact of global geopolitics.
What we have is not a provoked comprehensible retaliation from Israel against "terrorist" bogy-people, but a premeditated, cynical game developed in WaSShington and Tel Aviv, over time.
Are the wingnut apologists for Israel REALLY saying resistance groups like groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, fighting virtually only on raw courage, are GENUINE threats to militarised states like the US and Israel?
In reality, Lebanon is just a repeat of the much bloodier Iraq mess, with its "shock and awe" blitzkreig and collective punishments.
Consider also the serial interferences by the US that have turned Iran into the isolationist mess that IT is. The tactics are the same and come from the same origin; the Israel/US axis that has devastated the entire region for fifty years, usually for the most base of motives. Miniscule concern for the huge numbers of people living there has EVER been shown, against the pursuit of selfish strategic and oil-related motives. As the US has been Israel's proxy in Iraq and elsewhere, so Israel now duplicates this role for the U.S.
The U.S.could have halted the mess any time they had wanted to. We have heard too much of their sanctimonious windbagging about their "Christian humanity" and "superior civilised values" and seen too much of the substance and reality of these claims.
Posted by funguy, Thursday, 10 August 2006 4:44:15 AM
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Funguy,

You must suffer from chronic ignorance or tunnel vision. The world is full of nations committing far worse attrocities than any you can lay at the feet of the US or Israel.

If the US is so bad, which powerful nation states do you think would make better allies than the Americans? Which paragons of morality and liberalism do you fancy as Australia's allies? China? Russia? Indonesia? Malaysia? Iran? What morally sound and upright allies these would make!

Whatever the sins of the US, it's a long way ahead of the competition - especially in our part of the world.
Posted by Kalin, Thursday, 10 August 2006 3:55:43 PM
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Kalin,

Typical Zionist finger pointing. 'Why, oh why, are they always picking on us? The war crimes, the lies and the sheer nastiness are one thing, Kalin, but it's the HYPOCRISY, the overwhelming, neverending HYPOCRISY of the US of Israel and its barrackers that gets up our sensitive nostrils . Democracy, civilization, light under the nations. Jeezus! Blight unto the nations more likely.
Posted by Strewth, Thursday, 10 August 2006 4:25:54 PM
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