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Democracy versus leadership in Poowoomba : Comments

By Jennifer Marohasy, published 31/7/2006

The 'Big Question' is: why did John Howard insist Toowoomba vote on the issue of waste water recycling?

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Good points Yabby, and easy to read. Meg, you need to watch
how much page you spead out.Better still, take up blogging
plenty of free ones if you care to look, then you can preach
to your hearts content.

My son-in-laws family grazing business put down bores 2 years
back, searching for water and came up with none. Expensive, as
it cost $6000.00 to hire men & rig.

I experienced heavy water restrictions on family farm, one dish
of water to wash in per day, and had to fetch drinking water from
the well the cattle used, up until the floods came and almost
washed us away, in the late 50's, in Queensland's South East.
Posted by ELIDA, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 9:53:05 PM
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Yabby,

Don't you realise that when you plan a new building you use the most up-to-date water tank available at the time?

Since you've brought the subject up, it’s been a very long time since the only type of tank available on the market was what you call 'old tin tanks'. They have been made from galvanised iron for as long as I can remember.

Metal tanks have continued to improve throughout the years and are still the most common type of tank in use today. They are also available in a rectangular shape to fit under the eaves. I will also hazard a guess that Poly tanks have been around for at least 20 years if not longer.

Most importantly, it doesn't matter what material a tank is made from it will still hold water
Posted by amber4350, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 10:00:41 PM
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But Amber, the materials are all-important, in terms of cost, durability, flexibility, purity, etc.

I think Yabby is right; the changing materials have had a great deal to do with the changing policy on tanks.

“But no, the ‘powers that be’ wanted to make money by selling us water."

I’m not that cynical. I think the development of a public water-supply network was eminently sensible, and remains so even with vastly improved tank technology.

Anyway, it is well and truly time to promote the wide-scale implementation of tanks, despite my concerns about contamination, possibly setting ourselves up for a bigger crisis if we overdo reliance on tanks, and of course the facilitation of continuous population growth in the absence of an overall sustainability strategy.

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On 20 August I wrote;

“[Meg] You have shown yourself to be fairly and squarely in the ‘too loopy’ category.”

Seems like that was an understatement!! (:>|
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:56:00 PM
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Amber, perhaps in your part of the world, metal tanks are common,
certainly not here in WA. Where I live most people rely on their
own water systems, much of it rainwater. Storing water in tanks
is one of the costs that has dropped dramatically in real terms,
over the last 20 years.

Metal tanks largely went out the window when chopper guns were
brought into the fibreglass tank business, which dramatically
dropped their cost of manufacture. Now Poly tanks have largely
replaced fibreglass tanks, in terms of cost, durability, flexability,
ease of manufacture etc.

Perhaps we need to send some Western Australians over there,
to show you Queenslanders how to make good, cost effective tanks :)

My point remains: People complain about not having access to
enough good quality water, yet most waste all that water that
falls on their roofs. That just doesent make sense in a country
where water is getting scarcer.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 24 August 2006 1:52:41 PM
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Yabby, I’m not asking for a subsidy for anything…you should read my posts where I said that I USE TANK WATER FROM A BORE…goes to prove you don’t feel you need to get the facts before putting your feet right in up to the knees…

You assume a lot when you suggest that having a mortgage on a home makes anyone RICH…you have no idea of the sacrifices or difficulties they may be making or their ability to repay another $3,000 … or if the cost will be considerably more…not everyone just looks out for No 1…others have families…

RE: Africa, suffice to say that your previously stated comments on other threads regarding black African babies…are as contemptible as your suggestion that these people should not have access to vaccines…perhaps you feel the same way about indigenous Australians…?

You deviously failed to mention that the infant mortality rate is also extremely high by world standards…

You are one sad example of man’s inhumanity to man by anyone’s standards…

Elida, not sure how to ‘spead’ out a page…but you are welcome to blog/preach/misspell/confuse yourself elsewhere also – it’s still a free country and OLO still allows free speech.

…perhaps you should have ‘divined’ for water…excellent results…your cost of $6000 for two bores is very cheap by average standards. So now that you have confirmed that it IS an expensive exercise to sink bores – including the cost of unsuccessful ones…what’s the purpose of your post, other than to try to disallow free-speech from anyone you disagree with?

‘Loopy’ Ludwig is as usual lost somewhere in a pedantic panic!

Again…let’s not lose sight of where Toowoomba sits in the real world…population around 80-90,000…government wants local-farmers to sacrifice their water-supply and locals to drink-re-cycled-sewerage…

Rio De Janeiro with a population of 10 Million…doesn’t drink re-cycled sewerage…and has adequate supplies of drinking-water…that’s-10-MILLION-PEOPLE!…who’s kidding who?…Toowoomba-water-CRISIS?

Perhaps our governments could learn something from Brazil-a-‘3rd-world’country?

Makes the whole-sewerage-for-drinking look like a bad joke…and no-one has answered the question, what’ll local farmers get to water crops once they lose the treated-sewerage…?
Posted by Meg1, Friday, 25 August 2006 1:34:35 AM
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What I have shown Meg, is that your conspiracy theory about
bottled water and political donations etc, is in fact a heap
of rubbish!

Fact is that anyone can buy a small rainwater tank and tap
into rolls royce water, straight from their roof. Expenditure
is purely about priorities. If you want rolls royce water, its
cheaply available, you just need to get off your butt.

Re Africa, I never said anywhere that Africans should not have
access to vaccines. I said that they go hand in hand with family
planning, for good reasons. If you are going to tinker with nature,
think through the consequences of your actions. If they are unsustainable, then think again, no matter what your religious
persuasion. Indigenous Australians have possibilities to access
family planning, just like other Australians and people living in
the West. Sadly, that right is denied to many women in the third
world. Often its religious nuts, doing what they can to deny those
women their rights. The result is overpopulation, hunger and
much suffering in Africa.

Nice that you think that Rio is the way to do it. Yup, they have
2m of rainfall a year, so it should be easy, they are surrounded
by tropical rainforest. Given that most of the slums in Rio
have public standpipes, so people lug home water in buckets,
no doubt those dishwashers are not using much!

Farmers will have to crunch the numbers, like everyone else, to
see if what they are doing, is actually profitable. It takes
about 500l of water to grow a kg of wheat, worth 20c. Given that
water is worth far more then 40c per Kl, it might in fact be far
more profitable for them to sell the water to the city slickers,
forget the crops and go fishing or something.
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 25 August 2006 3:29:36 PM
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