Alchemist - Sorry, I cannot take your criticism seriously.

You ask for a reconstruction of the "sociological and political system from the bottom up". Then you say "[a]ny new approach to government and politics, will only succeed when the people have confidence in its outcome".

I can assure you that no revolutionary proposal can attain confidence of the people in its outcome.

On the other hand, the Copernican Group is able to engender confidence. Our proposal is limited to replacing the Queen, and the outcomes are modest, but realistic and quantifiable.

YES, the Australia people will directly choose their Head of State.

YES, the Head of State will be independent of the government and be apolitical.

YES, the Head of State will have the capacity to promote Australian interests overseas and encourage charities, philanthropy and community/civic organisations domestically.

YES, the Head of State will be a positive role model for the nation in sofar as any human being can be.

NO, the Head of State (or this change) will not change the basic nature of government, political parties and politicians.

NO, it will not result in nirvana, a golden age or a perfect world. I am sorry, but that cannot be offered by the corporeal world and no sane person would trust a republican movement that promised otherwise.

There is more to Australia than the apperatus of government. If you want to see "represenation", "support", "care", "equality in life" or "cheap sustainable energy", do not look to government alone - you will be disappointed. Community organisations do many of the hard yards, and an independent, democratic, apolitical Head of State would be a great gift to those who desire a better society.

“I can assure you that no revolutionary proposal can attain confidence of the people in its outcome.”

David, maybe that's because you can't see past your narrow perspective, could be your elitist, 'I'm right'“ attitude. People are hungry for change away from this despotic lib/lab elitist regime we currently have.

We need a system giving us freedom from religious, cultural, economic, legal and corporate control, currently offered up by the ruling unevolved elite.

“YES, the Australia people will directly choose their Head of State.”

From seven supported candidates, chosen by the ruling state Lib/Lab factions and 3 unsupported by the public. In a ballot, (read forced preferential vote).

"YES, the Head of State will be independent of the government and be apolitical."

Chosen by political parties and representing their vested interests.

“NO, the Head of State (or this change) will not change the basic nature of government, political parties and politicians. “

More of the same we have now, with a different spin, typical elitist propaganda. Where'd you do your training, toast masters, their brilliant at teaching deceptive lying.

David, don't you understand, we're sick of your corporate world. Take note of the repeating history of the past, whenever the elite take over societies enslaving the people, they rebel, destroying the elite.

We're very close to that position now, considering the gross corruption, bribery (political donations), freedom removals, corporate control, unjust legal system and discriminant behaviour of the elite in their grab for more power.

Your republic push is just to try and take peoples minds of the destruction you and your ilk are causing to society, so you can continue your push for total enslavement of the populace by elitist and corporate control.

Alchemist,

It's not often I have to agree with David Latimer, but as far as I can see you are off with the fairies. What you don't seem able to see is that any person who gets elected for anything, is automatically a politician, and subject to the Australian attitiude to politicians. It is best expressed as item 3 in the list of great Australian political truths:

"In any election, no matter whom you vote for, a POLITICIAN is ALWAYS elected."

If you don't like the current system here, tell me where there is a better one. I think some people by nature are never satisfied, and long for nirvana.

It is my judgement that for as long as people continue to argue over the form of a republic, it will never be achieved. As a result we may continue to say:

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

Towards the Republic of Australia.
It is clear that the large majority (80% on the latest poll) of Australians support the idea that we should become a Free and Independent Republic with our own chosen Head of State. We no longer wish to remain mere “subjects of the foreign Queen” But the minority who support the monarchy exploit the weakness in the system. They recognise that though there is a majority in favour of the change, there are differences of opinion in the way the Head of State is selected/elected. These differences were used by John Howard to split the last vote and cause the basic change to be lost. We must not be deceived at the next referendum. We need a two stage process. First a referendum with a very simple question to answer.” Should Australia become a Free and Independent Republic with its own chosen Head of State” Yes/No.
Once this decision is carried, and we follow in the path of the majority of former colonies, THEN we can have a working party to prepare a report on the necessary Constitutional changes. These changes can then be put to the people in the form of a Referendum and the necessary changes implemented.
We must not allow the diverse opinions as to the method of selecting/electing the Head of State to prevent us from becoming Citizens of Australia rather than Subjects of the Foreign Queen. Those who support the retention of the out moded monarchy recognise this debate on the method of choosing the Head of State and will exploit it to our disadvantage. Let’s follow the K.I.S.S. principle and allow a clear decision to be made.

I was born British, just like everyone else who was born in Australia before 1973 or in New Zealand or Canada before 1977. That makes it kind of hard for me to see the Queen as a foreigner. I didn't ask to have my British status taken away from me.

In 1901, the six Australian colonies decided to federate, believing that their similarities were greater than their differences and that they could achieve more together than alone. Looking at Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom (CANZUK), I feel the same way now.

Our similarities are far greater than our differences and we could achieve much more together than alone. Rather than thumbing our nose to this family, we should be taking the logical next step and forming a federation with them. We could start with reciprocal citizenship rights and free trade and move on from there.

Ian, reciprocal rights were very well when our countries were not mucked up with Multiculture. Quite frankly, there are a lot of "British","Canadians" ect I would not like to see here. We have enough trouble.
But I think the Commonwealth of nations is a good one to stick with,we have never had trouble from it.
A republic will come one day but until they come up with something we can believe in and trust, the present status of Australia is fine.