Wobbles we are discussing Afghanistan TODAY not Biblical times. Such an obtuse statement points to a weak argument.
I think that no one but Afghans can change Afghanistan, no one but Iraqis can change Iraq .Certainly no European or American country or any one else at all has the right. Anymore than any Arab or any other country has the right to change us.
It is only through education and/or seeing the freedom that comes with democracy that will light a slow burning fuse and send the tyrannical war lord oppression to extinction.
For the sake of everybody every where, I hope it is soon.

Hey,look at Australia before the Koran's treatment towards females.

I believe that Muslims got to the Aborigianl peoples of Australia long ago as the males are circumcised haven't got to cicumcising femles yet as Muslims do so that females cannot enjoy God given sexual feelings.
But the women of indigenous Australians are down trodden,abused ,have to walk behind the men,(as Muslims do) get the wood,have sex anytime anywhere.
They are beaten black and blue ,hit with iron bars ,killed , maimed ,treated worse that the mangy dogs that they keep, and are not allowed to speak out for fear of a curse or death by witchdoctors or gaddichee man.
These poor things, as are Muslim women just live in fear and humiliation daily as the do -gooders say leave them alone to work it out which never happens .
Same with Muslims women and kids in Afghanistan.
Where are the UN sanctions towards this evil relgion and ignored Aboriginal females and kids who are sexually,verbally and phsyically abuse 24/7?

Wobbles.. grrrr that comment about 'They were not treated any better in Biblical times' is plain wrong, its even a tad malicous.

Lets take an example from the book of SAMUEL

Regarding Hannah Elkanah's wife, [She said to her husband, "After the boy is weaned, I will take him and present him before the LORD, and he will live there always."
23 "Do what seems best to you," Elkanah her husband told her.]

Hmmmm did her opinion matter ?

Deborah.. was a judge and a ruler and military leader of Israel

Paul regarded Priscilla and Aquila as servants in the gospel.

OOPs.. he must have made a mistake there..he MENTIONED the woman.. Don't worry Wobbles I'll refer Paul to YOU for counselling so he can from this time on have the 'correct' low regard for women as you stipulate, and I'll speak to the editorial committee for the New Testament so they remove the verse mentioning the woman....

Puh-LEASE get out more in your reading and actually SEE what is there, rather than just regurgitating sorry over used myths and cliches.

Do we have any impartial data on the organisations for which this lady is speaking? One comment implies communist influence. On the other hand, what she claims does sound credible. But if so, Australian money is being poured down the drain, and the lives of Australian service personnel are being put at risk for no purpose. Overall, this is a very sad and depressing statement.

irfan: What in blue blazes do maoists have to do with the topic unless - Oh yeh they are also brutal, unmerciful pagans is that what you are saying?
Wobbles: 'I am not trying to justify what's in the koran' - OH YES and pigs fly!

I say again "I do not hate anyone from any other religion, I do not hate non-believers, I do not hate poor mis-guided, mis-led pagan moslems either". Yet I hate what they are doing I hate what they plan to do I hate that they want to make Australia a pagan moslem country with all that that means. numbat

Surely the issue is the treatment of women and how those who would treat them as second rate citizens can be brought into contemporary thinking. As a Lutheran Christian I fail to see how slagging other beliefs is going to prove particularly enlightening. It seems to me that that basically problems are caused by fundamentalist beliefs coming from all quarters. On reflection, sitting in a comfortable environment in a pleasant home whilst typing this is OK but if I were at the coal face either facing abuse or trying to stem it I might much stronger views about those perpetrating the abuse and how they might be prevented from doing so. How one changes a culture is a perplexing problem with no easy answers