Non-racist look at Boaz post

For our part, as Australians, we must also give consideration to the social, demographic and cultural impact of all people, all the various peoples and the individuals in our land.

If we do not, as the above video shows clearly, that we will end up BEING or at least experiencing a vast racist problem in Australia (people escaping terror like that are going to be wanting Australia to remain free of that nonsense – only a racist driven by some sort of illogical fear or hatred would commit absolutely to another).

Do you want to be hunted down like a dog and bashed with an iron bar by 50 thugs who have been fed a mountain of racist propaganda just because you are different to them? No and neither do my black friends. Thugs are thugs and if it wasn’t white skin it would be black skin (Remember Cronulla) if it wasn’t that it would because you’re Jew (remember the holocaust) or your hairs too long, any difference will do to a thug.

Do you want to be firebombed because you are a refugee or an anti-racist? Boaz why don’t you preach your racist nonsense to the Sudanese family of nine? Why do you turn a blind eye to racist thugs recently firebombed their flat? Show them your propaganda video that is totally irrelevant to their chosen life –except that they are black refugees. Why do you promote propaganda and create misunderstanding that gives thugs like those in Toowoomba an excuse to attack a mother and her children? The problem is not refugees but thug-like Australians and propagandists.

There are nice people and there are nasty people. There are thugs, bullies looking for trouble , usually in the safety of numbers, and there are people who just want to set up home, raise a family in peace, live to their own cultural mores with respect to reasonable Laws, whilst,if so be it, challenging foolish laws and attitudes. Basically be good citizens. I sure do. And it stands to reason that refugees do and will

David you claim game, set and match about Ali Bakhtiyari but as usual you are wrong. He told DIMA the day he was interviewed in October 1999 that he had lived and worked at the Pake Hotel in Islamabad's slums of Rawalipindi for a year.

He was deemed to be a genuine refugee with a well-founded fear of being tortured, killed and persecuted in Afghanistan. In fact almost every Afghan who still lives here had to work illegally in Pakistan or Iran for some time before coming here, just to get the money to get here.

That does not make them Pakistani or give them the right to be dumped like cockroaches without legal documents of any kind in Pakistan based on an old document for another person dated 1975 and it certainly doesn't give the government the right to claim a baby born in Adelaide can be said to have been born in Pakistan just to get rid of them.

If 100% of all Afghans worked outside Afghanistan before coming here and yet only 1 family was ever deported to Pakistan one would have to consider there was a conspiracy by DIMA to do it. And in fact there was.

It nearly cost the lives of a baby boy, an unborn girl and her mother and placed 5 other children in danger of being blown to bits or shot by the very people they had fled from.

As for the racist other views you express - I wonder if you know the people you vilify.

Marilyn,

If it were just a question of a few thousand people a year, who were overwhelmingly genuine refugees, I doubt if anyone would have an issue with it. The problem is the wider picture, as David keeps saying.

Refugees and illegal immigrants are influenced by the pull factor of First World living standards, which is magnified if their ethnic community is present in the proposed destination country to provide support in settling in, especially if the earlier settlers include friends or relatives. The refugees also experience the push factor of persecutions at home, and the illegal immigrants can take advantage of it by pretending to be refugees. Every other developed country except New Zealand that has the welcoming refugee policy you want has experienced huge blow-outs in numbers and a large proportion of ill-founded claims (in the UK 490,000 asylum claims not counting dependants between 1997 and 2004, 21% accepted as genuine, including after appeal). See the Migration Watch UK site and that of the Center for Immigration Studies in the US. Iran is currently the number one source country for asylum seekers in the UK, with Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan all in the top ten, just like Australia, and from the sheer numbers there must be many false claims from these countries. If you are asserting that Australia is some sort of Magic Kingdom where ordinary rules don't apply you should give your evidence.

It is gratifying that refugee numbers are down now around the world, but the fact remains that there are failed states to our north that have enormous population growth rates and dire poverty. It is quite likely that groups in some or all of them will adopt Rwanda style solutions to problems of environmental deterioration and resource shortages, creating literally millions of refugees. You may be right about the current state of international agreements, but no such agreement will be treated as a suicide pact.

Divergence, the US has over 1 million refugees from all over the world and they are not automatically locked up on arrival.

They have 11 million illegal immigrants who cross the border mostly from Mexico, they are not locked up.

We had precisely 15,000 refugees on boats from 1989 onwards - gawd, how pathetic we are.

In the meantime another 50,000 or more have flown here and are not locked up ever, even though they are usually not refugees.

Another 50,000 or so forget to go home to safe countries like the US and UK every year and they are not locked up either.

Get a grip, stop looking to Europe to see what happens and look at Australia's realtiy.

We do not and nor have we ever had a "refugee problem" we are just pathetic.

I hope we do get a grip on reality Marilyn and heed Europe's failures,since they are witnessing the demise of their rich intellectual and cultural heritage through PC attitudes,lack of courage and listening to the likes of yourself,who see all Anglo Culture as an evil that must be purged from the face of the planet.

The European Culture has to be the most self deprecating civilisation of this modern era,who seemingly ignore the foibles of all other cultures.

There is no sin in being successful.

Hey Ranc
some of your points look good on the surface, and thats the danger.

Referring to my post as 'racist nonsense' would be valid if what I say depended on or was founded on dislike for people because of their race.

Your quite right, thuggery is thuggery. But if you extrapolate a little and connect this with real world events in Australia or lets say for example East Timor, you can see clearly that there is a point, a critical point, where the race issue is lost and the political/social dominance issue begins.

The Militia in E.Timor were not a different 'race' from the locals they were simply 'pro Indonesia'. So, the difference might be ideological as much as racial.

In the case of Sydney in particular, we crossed the 'thuggery' line years ago when it comes to the activities of middle east criminals.
Yes, sure, there are 'many criminals' in Sydney, but scrutiny of the big picture in Sydney reveals something far more socially sinister.

It just so happens that among this group, the common link is the Muslim background. From this, we cannot suggest (to use a cliche) "All Muslims are bad" of course not. That is not at issue.
What IS at issue is the cultural/religious dominance of a chunk of Australian territory !

As far as I am concerned, as long as we (Anglo/Northern Euro Aussies) can maintain complete cultural ascendancy by controlling the numbers and proportions of migrants from various backgrounds, then all are welcome within that managable framework.

If this conforms to your idea of 'racism' then so be it. Water off a duckies back 2 me :)

One serious danger is allowing family re-union to those with polygamous backgrounds. It gives a disproportionate migration opportunity to them.