Continued Fight DEm Back are too like Dem (oops tangent - sorry).

Can someone tell me why some third world Dad who has never been exposed to religion still retains those feelings? Can someone tell me why some punk rocker who rejects religion has those feelings? Alchemist - any suggestions.

Can someone tell me why FDB has turned from some of those feelings - especially to posters who want Dem to be more PC in relation to the mentally ill. Darp, Max, Spot, Zog, Mis Anthrope - any suggestions.
Oh that's right FDB just call them names, refuse outright to respect calls to be fair to the mentally ill and tell them to F off. Check it out guys you think the right are hard these mob clearly hate diversity of opinion. See I'm Famous and G'day Boys and Girls.

Boaz is wrong by the by I am not really a Pastor. Just in case some of you mistook, like BD apparently has, my lowly opinions for Holiness. (E. Maculata)

Philo, Yes Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, the same non priestly family tree as King David. The scriptures also describe Jesus as a “Nazarene”. This does not mean from the town of Nazareth but is derived from the Hebrew “Nazrie ha-brit” meaning keepers of the Covenant, a term used to describe the Essene community at Qumran. Narareth is not mentioned in the old testament, the Talmud or in Josephus and only became a place of pilgrimage from the 6th century AD. (see Ahmed Osmar The House of the Messiah Ch 5 pages 30 – 32)

Modern Arabic for Christian is Nasrani from the same source. Therefore, as his father Joseph, Jesus himself and his brother James were also Nazarenes that is of the Essene community, look to the Essene community rules of dynastic wedlock. Re references requested, read Barbara Thierings books on the Essene community or the summary in Ch 3 of Laurence Gardiner's book Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

Francis,

I responded to you on the DVC Forum site. Suggest you look. I have tried to estend you more than you extended me.

Philo & J-T,

I understand the need for the House of David lineage. But would not virgin birth challenge this claim? Jesus would not have Joseph's DNA. Just the same, it would not be unusal for hundreds/thousands of people to have blue blood given enough generations. It is highly plausible Jesus "was" of the House of David.

Is there any need for virgin birth, rather than original sin?

p.s.The Mongol Khans' genes haveleft a huge genetic footprint.

Oliver, virgin birth can happen, but child must be identical to the mother, ie a female. The male DNA in a virgin birth would be the mother’s father.
One explanation of the virgin birth mystery is that of a loose misleading translation. Note that neither Mark or John mention the virgin birth. The semetic word almah that has been translated into Latin as virgo actually means a young woman. In Latin virgo or virgin means unmarried, and virgo intacta means without sexual experience. Translating almah to virgo intacta is wrong, as virgo intacta in Hebrew is bethulah.
From the dead sea scrolls, the Jewish rules for dynastic wedlock were not the normal marital marriage form. The dynastic couples led a celibate lifestyle for most of their lives. Three months after a betrothal ceremony, a “first marriage” was anointed in the messianic tradition, to begin the espousal in the month of September. Physical relations were allowed only in the first half of December to ensure any resultant messianic birth occurred in the atonement month of September. After conception, a second marriage, with anointing, was performed to legalise the wedlock. Note the bride was regarded as almah until completion of this second marriage to be celebrated after three months pregnancy in March (ie allowing for miscarriages).
For Joseph and Mary, these rules were broken, as Jesus was born in March 7 BC. Physical relations must therefore have taken place in June 8 BC at the time of their initial betrothal. So Mary not only conceived as almah but gave birth as almah before her second marriage ceremony, that is a virgin conceived and bore a son. The Abiathar priest, known dynastically to the Essenes as the “Angel of the Lord”, overrode this embarrassing disregarding of the dynastic wedlock rules and advised Joseph to go ahead with the second marriage. This is the called the Annunciation but is really the sanctioning of an anomaly, a dispensation.
In 2001, in PNAS Vol 98 page 13460, the mitochondrial DNA of Luke the Evangelist was sequenced from a tooth from the skeleton in his Padua sarcophagus.

" In fact Zecharias called in many young men of David's line to see who would be a suiter for Mary. Zecharias chose Joseph because he already had two elder sons. A baby in that setting would not cause suspicion of being the natural king and heir. "

Sorry, can I have some historical references for that please? Thanks

YngNLuvnIt,
From the writings of James in 'Protevangelion'. James with Jesus lived in the same household and under the care of Mary. Though Joseph has no genetic input in Jesus parentage he gave him his name and was registered as his father. According to the Gospel, James and Joses was considered Jesus brothers. James was able to walk with them in their journey to Bethlehem so must have been at about 8 years old and was present at the birth of Jesus. It was James that went to find Salome as a midwife to assist Mary at the birth. [I could speculate that Salome was James mother, as she is called a sister of Mary in other places. Note, Mary was an only child of Anna and Joachim.]

The family line of Joseph actually had a curse applied upon them that was probably known at Temple which would make it even less likely if Jesus was raised by Joseph that a king would emerge from his family. This may have been known and part of the plan of Zecharias to hide Jesus.

It was Zecharias who sought a plan for Mary's life whose life was dedicated to the service God in the Temple. It was he who recognised the precedence of Isaiah 9 and determined she fulfill her role as a virgin that would bring forth a child. She was artifically impregnated with the sperm of young men in the line of David by a Temple official well known to Mary. This was often used by the Essene community to have children and was done so as not to violate her vow of chastity; 'to abstain from sexual relationship with a man'. According to the Gospel account Joseph had no sexual relationship with Mary till the child was born, and Salome vouched that was the case at the birth of Jesus