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The more things change, the more they stay the same : Comments

By Peter van Vliet, published 5/5/2006

John Howard could find some useful parallels between Dickens' works and modern Australia.

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If Charles Dickens came to Australia today, he would see that we are fast heading to be like 19th century England under John Howard. If Mr Howard thought he could get away with it, he would probably like to bring back the workhouse for welfare receipients.

In 19th century England when people lost their jobs and their homes, they were forced to go to the workhouse, where they did work for nothing for factories who farmed out the work to these institutions, thereby providing less work in factories themselves and causing more people to lose their jobs.

Work for the Dole has some of the same thinking behind it. If there is all this work available for Work for the Dole participants to do, why are people not being employed and paid for doing it?

Now of course, there is the 19th century thinking of the "deserving" and "undeserving" poor, with the talk about regulating how welfare receipients spend there money.

No wonder Mr Howard likes Dickens, his books give him lots of ideas.
Posted by RaggedtyAnnie, Friday, 5 May 2006 10:07:57 AM
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Oh please,

Yes 19th century England was not a very nice place to live in, especialy if you were without funds, but you have to remember that during this period England was accelerating herself out of being a developing country and an alarming rate and the economic system that developed during that era is what allowed us to build the wealth that currently substains our welfare state. So please don't be overly critical of the 19th cenutry, for without it we'd all be living in the greatest of poverty.
Posted by DLC, Friday, 5 May 2006 10:21:34 AM
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During the first years of this year we have seen what happens to innocent children incarcerated out in the desert for years on end and any reasonable person who had read a detailed report of the damage done in 1998 as this government did would have stopped doing it.

Instead they worsened conditions, put up the razor wire, brought in the tear gas and water cannons, the handcuffs and total denial of legal rights for children.

Perhaps Howard really just doesn't care - he sure doesn't care to get decent childcare, decent wages for the poor and so on. Doesn't much care about aboriginal children living in 4th world conditions and so on.

Yep, it's no wonder he is a fan of Dickens.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 5 May 2006 1:12:43 PM
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I am also a Dickens admirer, as well as a critic of our present Prime Minister. This is a clever article but I don't expect it to be read by our PM.
Do any of your readers know how we might challenge the PM in a way which leads to a softening of his heart?
Is there a better way of organizing our political system so that people work co-operativcely to share their good ideas rather than our present one in which one has to defend one's side against the other, so we are forever being pushed into either/or situations.
Is it naive to be seeking a better system than our Westminster system?
Posted by ledingham, Saturday, 6 May 2006 5:26:13 AM
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C'mon Pete, you're not a ministerial staffer, you're an ALP ministerial staffer. It's not against the law.

I thought your article was very good. Dickens did indeed write presciently and it is worth considering his works in the Australian context.

In Dickens' first book Pickwick Papers, Sam Weller declares "we shan't be bankrupts and we shan't make our fort'ns. We eats our biled mutton without capers, and don't care for horse raddish ven ve can get beef". A Dickens' dig at our ALP-aligned AEU and its teaching standards perhaps?

In Dickens' much-loved Oliver Twist we meet up with the Artful Dodger, the world's most famous pickpocket. Dickens reminds us to consider our own Artful Dodger, the world's greatest treasurer. One was able to pick pockets to support a lifestyle while the other filled out T/A claim forms to support his lifestyle.

Dickens' classic Our Mutual Friend introduces us to Rogue Riderhood who fishes dead bodies out of the river. Why are we reminded of a state ALP government forced to count the dead after approving the appointment of Doctor Death? A chilling parallel from Dickens.

Great Expectations by Dickens relates the story of an ALP arriviste. A vulgar person who after a humble beginning rose to high office. He returned to his humble town of Bankstown clad in his Zegna suit only to be abused by the high number of unemployed and those forced to sell their houses. "Don't know ya, and don't wanna know ya" were hurled at him by an ungrateful canaille.

The dysfunctional character Madam Defarge leaps out of the Dickens' book A Tale of Two Cities. Does the rebarbative Defarge who invades Lucie's psychological space forewarn us of Carmen and her hatefulness?

If Dickens did pay us a visit in 2006 he would be mortified. "What has happened to the unique Australian character"? he would ask. What Australians once considered to be vile, disgusting, abhorrent and illegal is now tolerated by the nation destroying policy of multiculturalism.
Posted by Sage, Saturday, 6 May 2006 5:33:53 PM
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Both the parents and children of illegal immigrants are here under their own volution.If you release the children,then the parents also must be released.This means that those who subscribe to this line of thought believe in an open border policy.We have an over populated world with billions who want to escape poverty and oppression.We are presently giving our jobs to developing countries and increases the price of fuel and resources are lowering our living standards.

Do we have to become dirt poor to appease the do gooders?How much tax can we afford to accommodate them?At least the Children of the Dickens World were born in England.Sorry I see few paralells and the Author has been very selective about the reality and facts.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 6 May 2006 6:08:30 PM
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