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Moral outrage selective : Comments

By Kevin Donnelly, published 7/4/2006

School texts present the 9-11 terrorists and Christian Crusaders as morally equivalent.

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[Deleted for inappropriate language.]
Posted by rancitas, Sunday, 9 April 2006 6:15:13 AM
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BD...
On 8 April you stated:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.....
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" (Matt 7)

Is it possible, that those judging “Christians” also have the odd speck or plank ? :)

Then, later on 8 April, you stated”
“I don't 'lampoon' Islam, I condemn it outright. There is a difference.
..blah blah blah..”

Simply put, you are a hypocrite, much like the secularists, atheists and those you denigrate claim. But at least now you are being honest...

Rancitas.. please continue with the enlightenment of the will-less ignorant...
Posted by Reason, Sunday, 9 April 2006 11:43:59 AM
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Asking a person to compare X and Y isn't the same as telling them that these are the same thing.

Surely it makes sense for students to compare these acts and to practise articulating and refining their conclusions.
Posted by WhiteWombat, Sunday, 9 April 2006 2:45:54 PM
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Dear Reason....

if you looked at my post CLOSEly :) you would have noticed the following:

1/ I used JESUS example as my foundation. He condemned the Pharisees for very sound reasons.
2/ I condemn the teachings/beliefs/'prophet' of Islam on the same basis.

One thing is clear, He KNEW when he was using 'revelation' and God's name for the justification of his own carnal lusts. (look up everything about females in connection with him.)

You are welcome to condemn me as a hypocrite when I depart from Christs own example. But don't worry, I could tell you a lot about my life which would justify the accusation, I just reject it on the basis of what you are levelling it at me for now.

I have to freely adMIT to be hypocritical in many ways and many times. When I realize this I do actually repent.. turn away...

You know what they say about hypocrites, ..there is only one thing worse.."someone who hides from God behind one".

So, the issue for you, should not be inconsistencies in my own life (which I've already confessed to) but the position of your own life before a just and eternal God, how did you respond when last you heard that Christ died for your sin ? Did you laugh ? Did you scowl ? did you roll your eyes ?

I proclaim Christ as Savior now to you mate... he died for your and my sin, that you and I might live. There is only one difference between us in regard to this truth..... and you know what it is.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 9 April 2006 2:53:36 PM
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LAST LETTER HOME
by Dropkick Murphys

Hello there my dearest love
Today I write to you about our sons
The boys start school today
They're the spitting image of you in every way

Hey son it's Dad
I hope this letter finds you well out of harm's way
We saw the news today it frightened your Mom
Now all she does is pray

CHORUS:
If I lead will you follow?
Will you follow if I lead?

Hey Melissa it's me don't be afraid
I'm in good hands I'm gonna be home soon
It's time to watch the children grow up
I wanna be more than a voice on the phone

Thanks Ma I got your package today
I love "The Fields Of Athenry"
I swear I want 'em to play that song on the pipes
At my funeral when I die

CHORUS

I stand alone in the distance
And the foreground slowly moves

CHORUS

"We regret to inform you that on January 28th Sgt. Andrew Farrar died while serving his country in the Al-Anbar province of Iraq words cannot convey our sorrow"

CHORUS

When there's nothing on the horizon
You've got nothing left to prove

If I lead will you follow?

This song was re-written when the family of Sgt. Farrar (see lyrics) wrote to The Dropkick’s to tell them that he was a Murphy’s supporter. The Farrar’s wrote that Andrew thanked his Mum for the Dropkick Murphy CD she had sent him and requested a Dropkick song be played at his funeral should anything happen.
Farrar’s tour of duty was nearly over and he was to come home to his wife, Melissa and sons, Tyler & Liam. Melissa and Andrew were to renew their marriage vows and they planned to play Dropkick’s “Forever” at the ceremony.

The Dropkick’s played live at Sgt. Farrar’s funeral.

“Farrar died on January 28th, on his 31st birthday. We(The Dropkick Murphys) were present at his funeral to grant his wish and played "Fields of Athenry" as his casket entered the church. This song was re-written to include excerpts from that letter.”

(Empathy The Code)
Posted by rancitas, Sunday, 9 April 2006 5:31:24 PM
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BD,
I accept that you have a truth to your world and I accept that you acknowledge your faults, doing what you can to live up to the model you propose to follow – admirable and no issues here. But when you acknowledge your faults and admit that they are not in accord with you model, it is purely hypocritical to then continue in a way that is ‘at fault’ and not adjust your behaviour to act in accord with your model. Do not hide behind ‘I am only human’. It is a weak excuse.

As to my beliefs and position in God’s eyes, I’ll again use one of your quotes –
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.....
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

On Christ ‘saving’ me - I have a different view that is not as homocentric in its outlook as yours. To me, the mode of worship is immaterial; rather it is the heart that counts. For example, in my eyes, Ghandi is already at the right hand of what God there may be. How could any faith not believe that a man such as he is not worthy, simply because he did not believe in a specific dogma?

So, thanks for the slights – as backhanded and subtle as they are (and as you can be). However, I am comfortable that whatever version of divinity there is and my place in its grand plan. I believe it is well aware of my character and more likely to provide me with the correct path than any earthbound man or man dogma.

Perhaps you could try this approach a little more and not be so demeaning and judgemental of others? Then perhaps we could dialogue without the undercurrent of distaste that often arises.

Rancitas,
Nicely put (as usual)...
Posted by Reason, Sunday, 9 April 2006 6:10:50 PM
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