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Getting back to fundamentals in Iraq : Comments
By Taya Fabijanic, published 3/4/2006It is us, not God, who need to be responsible for the war in Iraq.
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Posted by Realist, Monday, 3 April 2006 2:59:48 PM
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Good on you, Lynda for bringing such as interesting discussion into our group. Certainly better than sniping and firing at each other. let's hope your suggestion of a sort of contest for all will bear fruition. Although having spent many hours of retirement from the farm engrossed in study trying to make up for what one missed through having to leave school early during the onset of the Great Depression, one part of learning that has stuck in the mind, is to always look back and guage whether one's success was based on good luck or good judgment. Using such bush insight, and being a bit of a storyteller, we might say that it is or was in bush pubs where such talk takes place - sort of casual but having more than a grain of truth in it. We might imagine such hobnobbing bringing out how Johnny Howard has been so fortunate to have China copying Karl Marx’s early formula for using Western capitalistic principles to enable the proletariat to at first get on its feet. Not that Karl Marx possibly thought much about China, but we can now see it as a principle. But we could doubt whether Howard would see it this way having obviously more knack than historical knowledge otherwise he would never have followed George W’ into Iraq. Tony Blair the same, even though he was an Oxford graduate. Returning to Howard, we wonder if he realises that much of the problem of too much money chasing too few goods, is being offset certainly in Australia by record flows of cheap Chinese consumer goods into our shops, particularly clothing and hardware, creating record amounts of consumer contentment. Another bush saying, and possibly we could relate it to Socratic reasoning, was to think down deep while taking a God’s eye view of problems, especially political. My goodness when we look at the Middle East that way it is easy to see where the trouble is - as Mubarek said to a British reporter a year or so ago. “Simply Western intrusion and injustice!” Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 2:28:35 AM
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Part Two
Now to add tiny Israel with its original suggested return to the Promised Land, over which Britain after WW2, predicted trouble ahead between the Jews and the Arabs. Now Israel with its illegal arsenal of nuclear rockets backed by America, has really proven that it was not the right thing to do for the whole Arab world democratically. Instead, Israel with its people of ultra-intelligence, but with almost an insane desire to prove themselves, along with its atomic arsenal and American backing, would certainly be worrying a Great God up there, if He was truly democratic. And as for Iran, there is little doubt that Iran only wants to go nuclear, because those Israeli atomic warheads are surely pointing right at her. Am also disgusted at some of the comments about Iran, not only in Perth's only newspaper "The West Australian" but also some of our group, calling most referments to Middle East history before WW2, Old Pap or Looney Leftist. It is interersting that many Old Pappeteers, were praised for strong insight while doing American history and politics, Lynda. Some of us Cold-War warriors, as some mistakenly still call us, because we are much older - while others smilingly joked about the phony Biblical expression - “From Deserts the Prophets Come”. George C, WA - Bushbred Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 2:53:31 AM
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What worthless drivel. Clearly the author is unhappy with anyone justifying a war on grounds of helping the Iraqi people escape a murderous dictator. Clearly Taya would have prefered the iraqi people to have stayed under the viscious oppression. How very noble you are.
The author is even more aghast at Bush calling someone "evil". Shock horror. But, then, is this not rank hyprocrisy as the author seems more than happy to paint Bush and Blair as bad, evil, wrong. Live by your own standards Taya, and stop bringing this self-righteous crap as if it was something more than an anti-freedom pap piece. Posted by Alan Grey, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 8:35:16 AM
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your comment demeans Fraser. Posted by keith, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 1:49:22 PM
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As a USA Navy Korean War veteran and two sons who were in the Navy, I think this Iraq war is a farce and Bush has got the USA in quicksand! If you get to view my site (http://www.voai.org) and click Founder (2nd page)and scroll to the bottom ) you will see my military service. George Bush may not be drinking, but if you read about the Dry Drunk syndrome (also 2nd page), I think you will come to the same conclusion. Here's GB's site:(http://www.voai.org/everyone.htm).
How's living in AU? I've been all over the Middle East and Europe and hope to get there some day. Posted by Norska, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 2:56:42 PM
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After all, you can do anything as long as its in his name.
Pathetic. Religion is the real evil, with god as the figurative scapegoat to justify the actions of the evil.
Wars etc etc. Kick religion to the curb, and put the cards on the table, yes we are evil and if we say our actions are in the name of the lord its ok i can have no conscience, and my masses of followers of god will support me and my cause.
Religion will restrict our evolution, always has, always will.