I didn't really know how to answer your last post Martin but here goes.

Martin you typed "I admit the US has never been too smart. But its not calculating and manipulative."

Did you actually read the bit about the U2 spy plane painted in UN colours in the article at
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1661

Would you call that calculating or manipulative?

You asked "... you don’t believe everything would have been fine if the Allies didn’t sacrifice their blood to fight evil do you?

Answer of course not everything wouldn't have been fine if WW2 hadn't happened. There are times when you need to fight ... Hitler was one of the most despotic rulers in history who's aim it was to control the world along with his Italian & Japanese allies. He killed 6 million innocent people.

Even though Hussein was also a despotic ruler, the evidence we were told, that was used to justify the war was wrong. Now if these self proclaimed Christians are going to lie to us to start a war what else could these people get up to?

The American people don't even trust Bush these days.... funny that, especially as he claims to be a Christian. The majority of the US people are saying we don't trust our Christian leader.

See http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/eveningnews/main1005982.shtml

Read http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

If people who claim to be Christians are prepared to lie or exaggerate to start a war then we had better start worrying because we can no longer trust what made the west strong.

In effect haven't we become as bad as the bad guys we are supposed to be fighting?

Well apart from that Gary did you see the article in the Canberra Times on Wednesday that Defence had yet again buggered up a DMO contract, this time the Euro Copter Tiger, as totally predicted at the Senate Inquiry into the DMO about three years ago. What is the vernacular phrase, pissing in the wind?