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Cartoons used as an abuse of power not humour : Comments

By Salam Zreika, published 7/2/2006

Salam Zreika argues that publishing offensive material under the guise of freedom of speech is depicable and rude to Muslims.

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Salam....

1/ WE DO NOT LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW. we are free! even to mock. I get mocked here daily. So does Jesus.

2/ WERE THE CARTOONS TRUE ?
Was Mohammed in fact a 'terrorist' ? Did he do things which could be legitimately described as terrorisim ? Does the Quran 'advocate' putting 'terror' into the hearts of polytheists ?

To answer this question, one only needs to refer to the posts of Kactuz and myself over a period of time. Lets use just 3 examples.

BANU QURAYZA
If you were amember of the Banu Qurayza tribe of Jews, would the cartoon be 'true' for you ? Yes, of course it would, and you would have visions in your mind (as a surviving female who had been allocated to some Muslim soldier as a slave) of the flowing of blood of:
a) The leaders of the resistance to his attack (if u believe only the 'sanitized, sugar coated' modern Islamic version) or..
b) the 700-900 men who were beheaded systematically under his watchful eye, if you believe the Islamic histories and the hadith.

MURDER of a MOCKER
Then, there is the case of Ka'ab Bin Ashraf, Jewish poet who mocked mohammed in poetry. Now.. if Mohammed followed the LAW of the day, he would have requested the leaders of the group with whom the Muslims had a peace treaty (If they had one) to deal with Kaab themselves. But what did he do ? "Who will RID me of this Ka'ab bin Ashraf" ? Some people volunteered to murder him, which they did.

MURDER OF HASSAN, BROTHER OF PRINCE UKAYDIR of Dumah.
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MH_LM/campaign_of_tabuk_and_death_of_ibrahim.htm
Ibn al Walid's Campaign against Dumah

Walid murdered Hassan, then...
After seizing two thousand camels, eight hundred goats, four hundred loads of grain, and four hundred coats of arms, Khalid carried them, together with his captive, Prince Ukaydir, to Madinah. Muhammad offered Islam to Ukaydir, and the latter converted. He was then reinstated on his throne and became the Prophet's ally.(i.e. he obeyed the one most immediately likely to kill him)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 1:15:48 PM
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I may have missed it, or everyone has by passed the most glaring and most obvious point to this event. Its the religious of the world that are doing this, to create a reason to escalate their war. They are trying to make it something that it isn't. A typical political ploy used by religions throughout history.

Those cartoons do not depict Mohammad, because no one knows what he looked like. Its that simply and islam refuses to depict him in any way, because they have no idea of his physical features. I can't find anywhere in the koran that gives a description of him. Same for jesus, a myth.

So all the uproar is just an excuse by both sides to escalate things. Either everyone is stupid or blind, but surely its about time it was realised that we are about to embark on a war to end all wars and there is nothing that can be done, nothing.

Why because it is out of everyones control, religions want total power and will kill their own to achieve it, just look at history to see the reality of whats coming
Posted by The alchemist, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 1:27:52 PM
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"What reaction do you think Christians or Sikhs or Buddhists would have if an image published was a severe mocking of their central belief?"

Um, duh, that happens everyday.

"Cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, commissioned twelve cartoonists to draw them and published the cartoons in response to the difficulty that Danish writer Kåre Bluitgen had finding artists to illustrate his children's book about Muhammad, because the artists feared violent attacks by extremist Muslims." (Wikipedia).

I don't like what was published but I support the reason it was published- to stand against the growing silent law in Europe that you must not offend Muslim sensibilities (sound familiar any Victorians?). I respect Muslims, I respect a lot of Muslim belief, I do not respect all of Muslim belief, and I think every society should have that right.

I also did not think the cartoons were that funny, but they highlighted something more important- tolerance goes ways.

Also, race DOES NOT equal religion. You can have an arab Christian and an anglo saxon Muslim. Please don't try to confuse the issue.
Posted by YngNLuvnIt, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 1:35:10 PM
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salam: In various islamic countries - Christian schoolchildren beheaded, schoolchildren held hostage without food,water,toilet facilities then brutally shot, Churches burned, Christians murdered.Then we have islamic mothers blessing their children by advocating their becoming cowardly suicide bombers. Anti-Jewish comic strips not just cartoons, islamic schoolchildren taught to hate Jews and Christians.
I, a Christian, would be banned from settling in most islamic nations.In 'some' I could quietly practise my religion but couldn't build a church, hold a Bible study or proselyte and I would be seen as a third grade citizen. Many of your pagan imams hurl abuse and threats at Christians in THIS nation. These same twerps say that democracy is un-islamic. Just what you death loving pagans have in store for this beautiful country should you gain the ascendancy is frightening. And you worry about a few cartoons!
In Iran a 17 year old GIRL with her female cousin fought of three islamic males intent on rape. During this struggle she inadvertedly killed one of attackers. Now she is on a charge of murder and will be hanged - Salam this is a schoolgirl a moslem schoolgirl .This lass before she is hanged will have to be raped as no virgin can go to hell a virgin. This is brutal, bloodthirsty islamic "law". If you ,perish the thought, were raped there would have to be three "upright?" moslem males who had watched this rape to witness for you. Your word as a woman is worth far less than the word of a male. Your so-called prophet has said and it is written 'that few women will be in paradise' Anyhow there would be nothing for you to do there but watch the males having constant sex.
islam is a threat to our free world, a threat to decency and a threat to democracy. numbat
Posted by numbat, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 1:59:36 PM
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One radical cleric in Europe called for a Muslim Day of Anger. To which one wag replied...'How could you tell?'
Posted by keith, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 2:28:01 PM
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Yet another mindless, senseless uproar from the world's most "peaceful religion".
Will muslims ever grow up and see their actions as others see them? Or will they go on rioting, killing,burning ,slashing for ever and expect to go on living among peaceful western nations as guests?
If we in the West give up on freedom of speech, these religious fanatics will demand more and more .
We must never give an inch. It is time we demanded that THEY behave themselves because we have had enough!
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 2:44:51 PM
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