Froggie says: ” Anyway, I thought that is what you lefties/greenies wanted- a habitable planet with no inhabitants?” I cant see how anyone could come to that conclusion. A world without, inter alia, Uma Thurman, Christina Amphlett, Gazunga Attack, Tank Girl , Disables, Dropkicks, Neil Young, Insurgent Country singers , Toy Dolls (how do I get a CD -TD), Dixie Chicks, Greenpeace and mine and me. Where did you get the idea that absurd idea that the left/greens want us all dead - from Green Spirit? Next you will be telling me fish hold their breath.

I haven’t read that G.S. stuff for a while, but from what I have read, it is clear that the founder of Green Spirit let personal issues cloud his judgement in relation to GP. I think, his academic positon has suffered and has been compromised. In the real world of scientific research academics have little time for either Greenpeace or Green Spirit - real scientists do the research and publish their findings and then these groups take them over to further their own position. That is just the way it is. The science journals are there if you want to try to form your own opinion. But that is off topic.

Froggie: You say Rancitas is left / green. No Rancitas is not that good. Anyhow, so what if someone is green or left. Let me make one thing clearer: in other posts, I said that I thought Greenpeace did good works in” certain” areas. For instance: I am supporter of ethical GM farming (a certain area). Now, Froggie, if you can’t read and comprehend and have this overwhelming compulsion to pigeon-hole people at least have some basis for that choice. This habit of tagging folk to dismiss their arguments or opinions instead of actually presenting some sensible counter-arguments suggests to me weakness in their position? (continued)

Rancitas is conservative and too wasteful to call herself green. Froggie: Rancitas’ main focus and interest above was media management. If wanting a truthful media is left, then Froggie what is your problem with the left, what is your point? Do you want the biased media (either way) to keep on making you feel that you are doing the right thing. Do you want your pre-judices fed for sales rather than the media present even-handed facts.

Posters: Did you hear that the Japanese whalers have hired a New-Zealand public relations firm?

A saying (mine): “If you need PR, it is because you need PR”. To follow the gist of my posts above - we, to be a true democracy, need up-front, as-objective-as-possible and fair reporting which is a left-wing ideal. Keith, Pericles and jboywonder still awaiting your acknowledgement of your mistakes. You were proven wrong. (Spongebob Squarepants)

Tubley, I have briefly scanned what you read but it is not worthy of comment. I guess your banal predictability has become boring.

Craig Blanch.

“tit for tat ad nauseum”

The items I identified were mere examples. I guess I could argue the glass is half full and you would suggest it is half empty.

My observation, if Africa’s glass is half empty, without the benefit of European assistance,. the glass would be almost completely empty.

“The allocation of fault does nothing to alleviate its problems”

Reviewing the chain of “Cause and Effect”
Effect : World population explosion.
Cause : someone somewhere is doing too much “breeding”.
(Alternatively, First World Medicines, having reduce infant mortality rates, should be “blamed” for this “explosion”. Except not many would consider high infant mortality as an effective or appropriate method of birth (and subsequently population) control.)

The point of my comment was not to ascribe fault or blame.

I hold a particular view, that everyone is responsible for their own actions.

If the developed nations are at zero population growth but someone in a third world country is breeding a squad of kids like rabbits do, in the light of what we know about the world population explosion, it is not the allocation of “fault” which motivates my comment but common sense and observation of cause and effect.

Froggie thankyou for your words of agreement.

Col,

Thankyou for not having the decency to reply (or even properly read) my post. Your arrogance is amazing.

But I will say one last thing about you. And even if you don't read it, others will and, probably, most will agree.

Here is my summation, the impression I have developed through reading your numerous posts, Mr Rouge:

You wholeheartedly support the death penalty (denial of right to life).

You believe we should steralise the underdeveloped nations (right to reproduce).

You believe in Western Superiority.

You think that non-authoritative organizations have no right to protest (right to free speech).

You naively believe that environmental cicumstance plays no part in one's destiny (I would love to see how you would cope living in Calcutta for a year or so).

You are a woman-hating chauvinist.

And after all of this, you have the audacity to say that I am somehow trying to restrict people’s rights. The hypocrisy is almost beyond comment.

This is my final word to you, Rouge.

Col Rouge,

You have got no idea what you are talking about in any matter of any situation. What are you doing here? This is a forum for intelligent people who were born with those things that go between your ears. (brains if you didnt igure that one out although you should have) I live in a dog infested community and every day i listen to the stupid muts bark and bark and bark. But i must say that I have heard more sense come from the insane canines' mouths in one day than I have EVER read from your posts. Please, next time you want to post, don't just get on your computer and start moving your fingers across the keyboard not really knowing what the heck your saying. Put some thought into it, and give us all a break. GO GREENPEACE! YOU GUYS ROCK!

May I correct an unintentional mistake from 18-Jan-06, where I used "developed" instead of "undeveloped".

To clarify: I condem the suggestion that any nation or sub-group with a nation be sterilized, as such an act would be an act of genocide. Furthermore any population control measure carried out without the democratic authority of the people directly subject to that measure is also unjust.