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An ethical and sustainable Australia makes sound business sense : Comments

By Simon Divecha, published 29/12/2005

Simon Divecha argues Australia needs clear policy leadership on greenhouse gas emissions.

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Come on Taz,

How do you explain the Japanese' record snow falls while you wish for the poles to melt? How can the poles melt when heat from all over the planet gets trapped in the roaring forties and finds numerous escape routes into space despite any CO2 level changes? And how do you explain the increase in earthquakes around the planet and that next one which is due any minute now?

And, did you even look at the Sea Height Anomaly maps? You know, the ones that show natural variations in anomalous tides of up to 45 cms without any increase in sea level whatsoever.

And last but not least, how do you explain your mommy-told-me-so assertions when you have presented zero evidence?

Careful, Dirty water's gonna get you.
Posted by KAEP, Sunday, 8 January 2006 7:49:21 PM
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Since KAEP insists on us understanding NOAA climate data lets see the most recent Mean Temp Anomaly for the US for 30 days ending Jan 05 2006.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/

These maps in themselves prove little. If Japan is covered in snow, somewhere else is probably suffering in a heat wave.

Getting the measurements and interpretations right is one thing, getting appropriate reaction is another. In predicting bushfires we only need to look at our short history in records. Long term I maintain it depends on looking more at the ice caps than the oceans.

I wonder what others here think about this issue
Posted by Taz, Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:34:04 PM
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Greenhouse gases causing climate changes like cyclones?

Cyclone Clare track uncovered in old data.

Subtracting the SHA maps for West Australia for 6 and 7 of January 2006 yields a unique linear path from Sualwesi, Indonesia to Dampier WA.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2006006ausha.png
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2006007ausha.png

This differential track includes the precise track of Cyclone Clare with a 2-3 day predictive window. The meaning of this derived differential map is that Sea Height Anomalies have suddenly collapsed along a contiguous oceanic path in the Indian ocean and Indonesian archipelago. The reasons for this are not obvious but it is easy to understand that such a sudden mass movement of water from a height of 30cm to minus 20cm could trigger atmospheric disturbances equal to an incipient Cyclonic system.

The fact that the track extends back to Sulawesi where recent earthquakes have occurred is interesting. Further analysis of this situation is in progress. Additional analysis of possible tectonic events in the Caribbean are also pending. It would be useful to know if some cyclonic systems do have a trigger mechanism in localised tectonic events.

The same SHA differential collapse has been observed some days before US hurricanes. The circulation topography of the GOM is however rather complex and when these disturbances initiate there is evidence that up to three subsequent, consecutive and distinct hurricanes may result.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 3:07:35 PM
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Whoa KAEP: How did we progress from analyzing NOAA sea surface data associated with cyclone Clare to considering tectonic movements?

Quote: ”It would be useful to know if some cyclonic systems do have a trigger mechanism in localised tectonic events”.

KAEP; I have long been interested in vortices as great sources of differentials both large and small, including studying controlled and natural heat engines.

Let’s not get carried away here.
Posted by Taz, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 4:40:56 PM
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Taz,

Look at the ausha6&7 maps superimposed over a light box. That is equal to a differential map of sorts. Those who do not look can not see!
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 8:48:17 PM
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Kaep, I have been interested in what you have said and agree that waste waters are having an effect on climate. However maybe you should get out of the box you live in and have a look at the real world.

To deny global warming is to deny you are alive, Of course we will see localised differences, snow, here and heat there. Where I live, we had our hottest year on record, we also had our wettest, and we had snowfalls down to sea level for days on end. Before the snow it was warm, after the snow it was warm. We are in the middle of our summer, yet we have a fire and last winter we had fires some days and all the windows open the next.

If you take any body of water, it will be influenced by all local events. The graphs you link to don't show anything that you espouse, other than what your mind wishes them to.

As Taz says, it is the ice caps and glacial covers that show what is happening. Around the world, they are in rapid decline. The largest, Iceland is melting at unprecedented rates exposing soil that hasn't seen the light of day for millions of years. This is happening because the ice cap is slipping of the land, as melting ice seeps down under it and allows it to slide. When it does, you will see massive and rapid sea level rise That evidence is very hard to refute.
Posted by The alchemist, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:54:18 AM
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