Hi Friedrich,

I responded to your comment about shame:
"On a personal level I think this abortion business, suction or otherwise is sick. It is best kept in dark corners to at least hide the shame. Not that anyone appears to know what shame is these days."

If you type Dr Wayne Dyer into Google you will find that he is suitably qualified to discuss shame and related concepts from a psychological point of view. His book Your Erroneous Zones was written in 1976, ie well within living memory. It was also written in English, which is probably the first language for most of us on this Forum, so no chance of us misunderstanding what Dr Dyer really means, or being misled by some loaded translation.

Contrast that with the guidance book of choice for orthodox Christians.

This is not to say, of course, that everyone should take everything Dr Dyer says as necessarily 100% correct, but I believe that it's reasonable to suggest that at least some of his points are worth considering.

I'm not trying to change the main thrust of this thread, but the general opposition to abortion and the individual woman's right to personal choice on this matter comes from what we know colloquially as "Right-to-Lifers". These people are also opposed to voluntary euthanasia. Frequently also to gay sex and sex outside of marriage.

If you are personally tolerant in these respects, then congratulations. But if you are a regular churchgoer, then you will know full well that many of your church colleagues will not share your tolerant views.

Rex,

Good post.

I have a problem with abortion and the death penalty.

As for gays. To me it's a non-event. They harm no one as far as I'm concerned. They are entitled to happiness.

Sex outside of marriage is also a non-event. I am not a prude.

There are other religions that frown upon abortions apart from Catholicism.