Kenny,

At least you could spell God with a capital G.

Kenny the only time I get annoyed is when this sinister behaviour is in my face. I'm not trying to stop anyone from taking mifepristone. I think it should be made available. Take one a day for all I care.

My main beef is that abortion,whatever method,is not hidden in dark corners where it belongs.

Scout, great post. On topic, in my view balanced (benefit/risk etc), an attempt to look at agenda's which might influence the author.

Freidrich, interesting point on the capital "G". Sometimes I use a capital "G" to show respect of anothers beliefs where the poster I'm communicating with appears to treat others with some respect and a lower case "g" when the poster clearly shows no respect for anybody elses beliefs. Judgement calls which I probably get wrong sometimes.

R0bert

RObert,

You make some good points about the "G" and respect.

The bottom line is mifepristone should be made available. Every drug has side effects.

On a personal level I think this abortion business, suction or otherwise is sick. It is best kept in dark corners to at least hide the shame. Not that anyone appears to know what shame is these days.

For those who feel that people SHOULD feel "ashamed" of various actions, thoughts or omissions, I would recommend the book Your Erroneous Zones by Wayne Dyer. ISBN: 0-380-01669-9. Particularly Chapter 5, The Useless Emotions---Guilt and Worry. One section deals with Church-Related Guilt, "You've disobeyed one of God's rules and you should feel ashamed of yourself".

Dr Dyer suggests that there is the potential to do yourself lasting psychological harm by feeling guilty about something in your past. If you consider that it was not the right thing to do, then take the appropriate steps to avoid doing it again. [The following statement is my suggestion, not Dr Dyer's.] Relating this to abortion, if you find yourself with an unwanted pregnancy [where you were a willing participant], then try to take sensible precautions so as not to put yourself in this unfortunate situation again. And just bear in mind that none of us are perfect, you, me and no-one else.

But some religions seem to want to turn us all into "guilt machines". It's all part of the controlling mechanism. And what is often the result? We are all sexual beings, but we are supposed to feel ashamed of our sexual feelings, unless those feelings are tailored to fit the situations prescribed by the church as OK by God. So, no sex outside of marriage. No gay sex. Be ashamed of your body and its functions. [In some cases, be so ashamed of your body that you'll avoid or delay medical treatment concerning the "naughty bits" and maybe die as a result.] Be guilt-ridden and subservient to the church, because that's the ONLY way you'll ever get happiness and salvation.

Before I'm attacked as some kind of "if it feels good, do it" person, I'll just say this. I respect my body and the bodies and feelings and well-being of others. And part of my self-respect is expressed in actively avoiding allowing myself to become brainwashed and I bitterly resent state imposed brainwashing at the behest of those who act as though they have a direct phone line to God.

Friedrich, I'm in agreement (based on my understanding of the consequences) that the drug should be available.

I'll have to disagree with you on the "Dark Corners" thing. It's certainly not an issue I want in my face all the time but I have not noticed any "Abortion Pride" stickers or Tee shirts around. Most of the publicity I have seen is advocacy (for and against). I suspect that we do need a lot more research into abortion to see if there are better ways of reducing the need for abortions (less unplanned pregnancies). We need to understand how best to help people deal with the issues around abortion and get a better understanding what if any post abortion emotional damage occurs.

I suspect that most state laws don't really cover the reality of the way abortions occur, what I have seen in various discussions seems to indicate the law only allows abortion where there is significant risk or hardship to the mother from a continuation of the pregnancy. I get nervous about laws that are honoured more in the breach than in compliance, they can be time bombs.

Not a fun topic but so many of the issues of society are not. Dark Corners tend to harbour nasties, get a light in there so we can see what we are doing.

R0bert

Rex,

Have you changed the thread?

Are you taking the mickey?

Everyone who goes to Church is a homophobic? What has gay sex got to do with RU486?

Rex you won't see me throwing rocks at gays, being ashamed of sex so forth and so on.

However you keep reading those fascinating books. They are doing you the world of good.

Yabby,
Keep up your anti-Catholic stance. It is going well. You are a genius.