Col, slight disagreement with the following

"Since, in the matter of abortion, one woman’s decision will not effect the lifestyle, expectations or responsibility of others, those others should have no influence in what choice that one woman makes.

The number of abortions is irrelevant. Every abortion decision is a single decision made by one person, the woman involved! "

True if the abortion is paid for privately, not true if the taxpayer is footing the bill. I'm not aware of the level of funding for abortions but assume that it is not trivial. If so the number of abortions is relevant. As with health care for illnesses caused by or complicated by overeating, smoking, lack of exercise, risk taking and the like the taxpayer has some right to try and reduce that cost.

Probably a trivial point in the overall debate, the cost to the taxpayer of the child being born will be higher but there is scope there for preventative action. I'm not generally a big fan of means testing but maybe abortion funding is one place where it might really serve societies interests. We might also be better served in a pragmatic sense by increased funding for sterilisation procedures for men and women, free condom vending etc.

R0bert

Col,
it is interesting that you pick out small points, such as some family members concerned about status etc. You assume an awful lot. You didn't note that my father was supportive and that other family members were also.

I note that you were not prepared to comment on the issue of men putting pressure on women to abort as an abortion costs less than maintenance.

I believe that many women are being coerced into abortion, being convinced that it is their only real option. Many women suffer emotionally and mentally after abortions, of course some do not, but I reiterate, women need REAL choices. For at the moment I see that too many abortions are carried out for convenience, and often for the convenience of the males.

Robert – I keep all issues of costing and tax payer funding out of the abortion debate simply because such judgements are subjective and comparative to other health negatives like smoking, obesity etc.

To be honest, if abortions were not available as a public health service, I think 2 things would happen

1 women would borrow to undergo them.
2 abortion clinics would adopt deferred payment schemes.

I do not believe it would not affect, either way, the number of abortions performed.

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Col
It is interesting that you are able to have a hissy fit about the semantics of others, but are not commenting on my response to you.
I get the impression that you are rather shallow and not an intellectual.

Col Rouge,

Learn to put two words together and I will debate you. Your posts lack clarity. In other words you are all over the shop.

I will however comment on your posts as I feel you may learn something.

Col I am here to help you. You do not have to thank me.

Your Mate,

Friedrich

Aka - Check the times of my posts.
When I posted last I had consumed the 2 posts per 24 hours and could not make new entries for some time.

I do not live for your approval. So I do not give a stuff about your views regarding my depth or intellectual prowess. I had however, already drafted a post which I enclose verbatim as prepared.

“Aka – I cannot comment on women being coerced and men putting pressure on women to abort.

I believe, ultimately men and women are responsible for themselves and their own bodies. Any women coerced into an abortion has my profound and sincere condolences.

I believe, absolutely, that the only way people grow is by dealing with the adversity of their lives. That means they must be free to make the decisions they see fit and live with the consequences.

Thus a woman, pregnant who does or does not want to be pregnant should be entirely and solely responsible for any decisions to terminate or not.

Regarding family – I interpreted what you said, maybe harshly. I did see where you said your father supported your decision. I would do the exact same for either of my 2 daughters, likewise, support them in whatever decision they determined.

How many abortions are carried for “convenience” does not matter.

What does matter, I repeat, is people being free to make decisions for themselves instead of having the decision imposed upon them (women coerced).

Pregnant women might be coerced by unsupportive or paternalistic boyfriends and that is wrong.
Woman being coerced by the harassment and berating of Pro-Life activists is, likewise, wrong.

Two “Wrongs” never make a “Right”.

I certainly was not evading the issues of coercion, just not considering them in my response.”

Freidrich ”Your posts lack Clarity”.

There is nothing opaque about “People have the right to choose for themselves”

Mono-syllable posts like “trite” lack clarity – as your previous 2, this one qualifies as “trite” and likewise “banal”. It confirms your standard =
Unfit to make or impose rules and decisions for others.