The hypocrsiy on this site has to be seen and read, to be belived.

Most of the posts claim they are against the death penalty, however, I strongly suspect, closer scrutiny would reveal these very same posters would support state sanction murder, ie, sending off troops to invade a country illegaly and as a consequence, murder thousands of their population indiscrimanently.

It would appear, such actions as carried out by their Governments, do not come under the heading of "death penalty". (Wonder what the victims would have to say about it ?)
Neither would it appear, (and completely fails to register with them), that their very own countrymen who have been trained by their Government to carry out these gruesome tasks, are actually the instruments of carrying out these death penalties.

So when you folks stand upon your soap boxes and begin your speil, you should first ensure you have your facts 100% correct, and stop cherry picking the issues that you feel are the easiest for you to deal with.

Sure, we should not be putting anyone to death, under any circumstances whatever.
That's the whole point, and IMHO, the whole issue.

So if you're gonna cry obaout something, why not cry about the whole subject, not just one tiny selective piece of it ?

"itchyvet"

I doubt that's true

In my experience, most of the people who oppose Nguyen's death are opposed to the deaths caused by our intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc...

Just as most of the people who believe Nguyen deserved to die support such military intervention.

I raised this point when discussing the hypocrisy of our "selective" respect for Singapore's sovereignty.

"Apart from the death penalty in Singapore being a hangover from their colonialist past, this respect for sovereignty is demonstrably selective. Australia's recent militarist adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan and (closer to home) the appalling social outcomes of Australia's Aboriginal people makes that obvious."

http://dimc.axxs.org/?action=newswire&parentview=5007

State-sanctioned murder is wrong - and I agree with the scope of your definition.

To Space Cadet

Why Texas executes criminals at a higher rate than other US states is something I do not know.

If “1-5%” of death row prisoners win their appeals and are found “innocent”, it is because juries are very loathe to apply the death penalty if there is the slightest doubt of guilt. Whether these convicted people actually are “innocent” is another matter entirely. The OJ Simpson case demonstrated to the world that even those killers who’s guilt is beyond doubt, can be found innocent by juries who are more concerned with social activism than any notion of justice for the victims. As for the 95-99% remaining on death row after appeal, juries have no doubt about their guilt.

The reason why Australia and Britain have some of the lowest rates of homicide in the world is because of the non violent nature of British culture. This is now changing in Britain with the importation of extremely violent ethnic groups like the Jamaicans and the Muslims. It is also changing because of the glorification of violent criminal behaviour in Western media.

Australia lost 100,000 soldiers in two world wars. These men fought and died to protect this country and it’s people, and they killed God knows how many enemy soldiers in order to achieve that aim. How do you reconcile your approval for killing soldiers from enemy states, almost all of whom were decent men, by the tens of thousands to protect your own society? Yet you will not kill a single drug pusher who has declared war upon our own people and who is partly responsible for the 1000 heroin deaths now occurring in Australia. Are the worthless lives of heroin pushers and rapist murderers more important than soldiers?

Oh, and Sneaky Peter, you know that Kenneth Boyd with the IQ of 77 who is next in line for execution in the USA? You conveniently forgot to mention to our readers that he beat his mother in law to death and then strangled his six year old daughter in law who witnessed the murder to shut her up.

Frankly, the volume and intensity of comment over a dead drug dealer, when compared to the deafening silence over the deaths of patients in Bundaberg Hospital, is deeply offensive. One death was caused by a government as punishment for a crime that leads to the death of many. The others were killed by a government intent on hiding its mistakes, intimidating those who sought remedy, and protecting those who's standards were below community expectations.

This hypocritical double standard simply doesn't make sense until we look at the reader profiles in the article "our family". This shows that 40% are Labor voters, 26% vote green and 5% vote Democrat. Only 14% vote Coalition and, we must assume, that at least 2/3rds of the remaining 15% undecideds lean towards green/labor. So we have a readership, and by implication, post writers that is at least 81% green/left. The very people who have voted for those in charge of our hospital system for a decade in NSW and 13 of the past 15 years in Qld.

Clearly, this "dead gook" is a smoke screen to mask your own denial of your part in electing and maintaining this triad of criminally negligent scum. So keep up the chatter folks, I suppose any distraction will do, as long as you avoid mirrors.

Quite right Perseus, I am also amazed at how little interest is shown for real things instead the illusionary things that recieve the most attention.

You will note the lack of comment on anything to do with the environemt, climate or energy in these threads. Whilst the slimmy politicians and braindead beaurucrats slumber on in their daydreams, their srupidity and lack of responsibility are killing thousands each year.

How many people realise that more than 20000 people are murdered by bad mmedical practises each year in Australia. Or what about the couple of thousands that are murdered on the roads each year. Or the many thousands that are murdered by tobacco and pharmecutical drugs each year. Then we have the murder of millions of animals each day for self centred greed and profits. I never hear any uproar about these deaths.

Yet we have the religious, PC's and right wing dorks constantly arguing about semantics, whilst our planet and its inhabitants go down the gurgler.

I would be interested in Philo's, BD's and Rednecks views on those forms of sanctioned murders. But I won't hold my breaths it appears there only interest is in being right about delusion.

The religious are happy to destroy there opponents in the name of gd, but they aren't prepared to take responsibility for their own collusion in these situations.

Sure it was sad for the bloke executed, but he did it and went to Singapore where they hang you, so whats the beef. Its very simple, don't do it. As long as we have war and religious conflict, then you will have state and religiously sanctioned murder. Better to rid the world of these obscene religions first, that will take care for 99% of murders on the planet. Religion is just like any drug of addiction, it takes away a persons freedom to think and act responsibly, thats why 98% of those executed are religious people.

I see we have a few wowsers who think we should treat Singapore like a leper, when all they have done is sort out a problem for us.

Interesting statistic about the incidence of executions per capita though. Maybe that has to do with
A: Singapore having a very small population (4,435,000)
B: Singapore is a significant trading nation and on one of the great historic trade routes – our recently departed Aussie-Vietnamese drug peddler was, after all, “in transit” – not that being “in transit” is any excuse for dealing in illicit drugs.
So Keith, to improve the analysis maybe it should separate out “Singaporeans citizens executed” from “transients executed”.

As for me, I reckon we should thank Singapore for cleaning up the 26,000 herion shots which they intercepted and follow their lead and terminate the filth who seek to pollute our streets too. I would be reasonable, first drug-related offence, a period of imprisonment but second offence, death (obviously, recidivism indicates an inability to understand the heinous nature of the crime).

Anyone who thinks hanging is inappropriate gets some support – I personally think execution is a solemn process, not a public spectacle or entertainment and I believe lethal injection is the most “humane” method of execution, so would prefer that be used rather than any other.

Now, next, bring on the Bali Nine - "Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang" - lets have a BBQ to celebrate that cleanup too