A book by Norman Mailer titled " The Executioners Song" is worthy of a read. It concerns Gary Gilmour who pursued the State of Utah USA, to carry out the sentence of death imposed by the court. Gilmour is a man with hardly a redeeming feature. However Mailers book clearly demonstrates the barbarity of State sanctioned executions. No thinking person could support the death penalty after reading this book. I dont expect Redneck to hunt it out, his blogs do not to me demonstrate a lot of thinking. My sympathy to the family and friends,of this unfortunate young mans pointless execution.Gilmour eventually won his ' right ' to be executed by Firing Squad and the USA has been killing ever since.

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you Sneaky Peter, for putting your foot firmly back in your mouth. You claimed that that race had nothing to do with violent crime, because of the two most dangerous cities in the US, Flint and Detroit, one is predominately white and the other predominantly black. Could I respectfully point out that your informant is lying to you?

Flint, Michigan is noted for it’s very high crime rate and according to http://www.answers.com/topic/flint-michigan , it is 41.39% White and 53.27% Black. The more blacks you have, the more crime you have.

Flint’s crime rate is eclipsed by Detroit’s, which is 81.6% black and is known as the murder capitol of America. The high black demographics is caused by “white flight”. In other words, the blacks move in and begin robbing, raping and murdering, and the whites get the hell out.

On the subject of monocultural crime, I do not deny that some monocultures are extremely violent. But all culturally divided societies, especially those which have adopted the people from violent monocultures, are very violent.

Could you tell us which are these 6 US states that have the highest rate of executions? I will guarantee that reason why is these states have the highest murder rates, is because they are the states with the highest proportion of blacks and Hispanics. And without capitol punishment to try and keep these crime prone minorities under control, these 6 states murder rates would be even higher.

If you do not want capitol punishment reintroduced in Australia, you had better support me in keeping the wrong sort of people out of this place.

As for crime being “down” in European societies, you are right. Only 17 cars got burned in France last Monday, instead of the 1000 the Monday before.

I will probably be howled down, but for me it is a simple decision, Thou shalt not kill, whether he is a drug trafficer or not, had he been caught in this country, he would have been given a long custodial sentence, and quite rightly so. To me murder whether by the State, or anyone else is barbaric, which is why Australia hung it's last prisoner Ronald Ryan in 1967. I don't believe in the death penalty, and I don't believe in interfereing in other country's laws, except to ask for clemency for an Australian citizen, which is every country's right. Take a situation in Townsville North Queensland a couple of years ago, two USA Marines tried to murder an Australian citizen in a nightclub, Queensland Police charged the pair with attemped murder, after a plea from the USA our Federal Atorney-General allowed the pair to return to their ship, to face trial in the USA. However they never did, one faced disipline, the other was not charged with anything. I make no judgement as to the rights or wrongs of this case, merely to state the USA INTERVIENED, to save it's citizens, and our Government complied with their request, that they be handed over to their own country for punishment. Someone will obviously point out this case to be irrelevent, I am unable to see any difference. If it was good enough for USA citizens to be handed over to their Government for processing, which didn't happen, it follows to me, that our criminals should be handed back to us, for the same reason.

Redneck

Explain the following

Sadly 'Of persons executed in 2004(In the USA):
-- 36 were white
-- 19 were black
-- 3 were Hispanic (all white)
-- 1 Asian'

Work it out. The most over represented group using your logic here are Asian. That probably suits you too, but it shows your claims to be ... unusual. And note the hispanic's were white. Now that is sure to confuse you.

memumza bighor

What an obnoxious attitude.

I really don't have time for people who insult me and make accusations as you have.

I'm opposed to the death penalty. For anyone. Either refute my logic or stop wasting my time. Obfuscation bores me to tears.

http://dimc.axxs.org/?action=newswire&parentview=5007
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Redneck

Slavery - black internalisation of anger (means blacks kill blacks) - white racism (institutionalised and your sort) - you left them and a few dozen other factors out of your equations.

Which makes your deductions incomplete and worthless.

Racism is entirely illogical if that's any help.

Try http://www.timwise.org/ if you are seriously interested in racism in the USA.

"Indeed, I am beginning to think that whites are so dependent on people of color that we wouldn't know what to do without them. Oh sure, some neo-Nazis say they would love to try, but in reality I doubt they could make it. If there were no black and brown folks around then whites would have no one to blame but themselves for the crime that occurred; no one to blame but themselves when they didn't get the job they wanted; no one to blame but themselves when their lives turned out to be less than they expected.

In short, we need people of color--especially in a subordinate role--as a way to build ourselves up, and provide a sense of self-worth we otherwise lack. To be sure, our very existence as white people is dependent on a negative: to be white has meaning only in terms of what it doesn't mean."

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Lose the insults - you devalue this
forum and demean yourselves.
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memumza bighor

Firstly thank you for apologising

I oppose the State taking the life of its citizens anywhere. You seem to keep missing that point.

http://dimc.axxs.org/?action=newswire&parentview=5007

It makes much of your wordage redundant.

I see by your phrase "...my beautiful country" that you are an Aboriginal person. You will be pleased to know that I do a great deal of work with your people.

These articles may be of interest to you, given your fascination with this high-profile case.

"The drugs Van Nguyen was carrying most probably came from Burma's golden triangle."

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/viewpoints/s1515307.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/BurmaSingapore_Drugs.html

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/11/22/1132421665940.html?from=top5

"Singapore is Burma's most important investor. Burma, under military control since 1988, is one of the world's biggest heroin sources. The drug accounts for more than half of the country's economy."

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1517205.htm

Your concerns for Australian drug users are admirable.

Could you please point me to your essays on human rights issues?

- thank you