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How not to negotiate with workers : Comments

By Jim McDonald, published 21/11/2005

Jim McDonald argues the WorkChoices Bill favours employers.

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Yes I do have cheap taiwan and china products in my home, so what?
I also have to pay my mechanic well above award, Western Power workers stupidly inflated pay packets, over inflated health insurance, food, fuel,education and a silly mortgage payment all brought on two incomes because these basics in life cost this.
Now if I was getting a wage that could pay all the basics in life I wouldnt buy cheap exploitation I would rather Australian made and save longer. I would also work overtime without penalties to pay for these extras in life. Much like my father and my girlfriends father did. It doesnt matter anyhow because soon enough our work till you drop lifestyles will catch up and then where will all the workers be?
Employers will offering free pick me up tablets next.
Posted by bear, Thursday, 24 November 2005 5:24:16 PM
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Well just look at the new BCA adds surely its clear they are a union? the bosses union?
Prison doors will swing open for workers and unionists as a result of this bill.
Not in the childlike dumb and dumber way the left smashed windows in Canberra years ago.
That action and other militant actions like it harmed the workers more than helped.
And focused Howards already existing plans, but a fair go for the average worker one national system if you wish.
A fair system, a strong fair union movement not militant will come Australia will feel the divisions and unfairnes of this bill.
And without doupt as workers and unionist are imprisoned we will use the tragic devisions to remove this goverment.
Surely its clear this is the first step in putting the conservative goverment in the same impotent position the ALP was in untill this bill fronted up?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 25 November 2005 5:38:43 AM
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The usual suspect, tells us he tried to undermine his workmates by trying to work for less than the minimum award rate. Blames the union for stopping him. Does he understand how a race to the bottom works?Does he understand the concept of a living wage? I believe the union term 'scab' pertains to this type of action. Shame on u usual suspect.Boaz is still e-mailing away from his tin shed, and Sniggid is yet to tell us how the union held him back, until he negotiated a great AWA for himself and his mates. Wondering if his negotiating was similar to TUS efforts. "Let me work i will do it for less than the law mandates". Brilliant strategy. Can u tell us, what your next tactic is when Billy from workchoices fame comes along and offers to undercut you?
Posted by hedgehog, Friday, 25 November 2005 8:51:53 AM
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Poor old hedgehog. Keeps banging on about how the unions are the best thing since sliced bread. And if you do things for yourself you must be offering to work for peanuts.

After 30 years of belonging to a union in WA and being unhappy with their efforts, we suddenly were presented with the opportunity to negotiate for ourselves thanks to the Court Government's Workplace Agreements Act. At last we could represent ourselves without being held back by the union. Now the Gallop Government have repealed that legislation and the IR scene is once more dominated by the unions.

Well, all this is about to change and people will be able to belong to a union or work things out for themselves through AWA's.

Perhaps hedgehog might let us know if unions are planning to broaden their effectiveness by offering to help members who want to negotiate an AWA. That is the real challenge.
Posted by Sniggid, Friday, 25 November 2005 12:18:46 PM
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Ah, Sniggid,rhetoric. Is that it? Why not answer the question? The Court Govt., what happened to them? Voted out when the population woke up to the draconian labour laws.Give us the facts Sniggid, tell us about your great deal with the boss, that u couldnt get until Richard Court created a workers paradise in WA.
Posted by hedgehog, Friday, 25 November 2005 12:58:30 PM
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Sniggid, like all Tory's is unable to answer the questions, they throw one liners instead of answers. e.g. 80% of the workforce is not unionised, so why belong to a union? Brilliant, 80% of the population does not have aids either, so why do we continue to research for an antidote? 70% of the student population attends public schools, so why does the Howard Government provide these schools with only 30% of its Education Budget? Why did the Howard Government cut health spending in last years Federal/State Health funding agreement by a billion dollars over the 5 year life of the agreement? If you have all the answers to these questions Sniggid, I can start on a new set of questions for you, no doubt you will answer all these questions with a cynical one liner, without a shread of credability, as usual.
Posted by SHONGA, Friday, 25 November 2005 10:31:22 PM
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