Col, (and from my humble, according to alchemist, “entirely non-existent experience of the world”) “, not my quote, I wrote, “Col it appears that you have no understanding of the world,”. Different to your inference, but those that live within the past have to alter things to justify and appease themselves.

Collapsing infrastructure, health systems, education systems, family systems, social fabric falling apart. Don't these send you signals that something is wrong. We are being led by an agenda purely for singular economic outcomes, increasing profit margins, doesn't ring any bells. Must be awful to live in such terror of reality.

Constant economic growth is unsustainable, resources are running down, everything is thrown away. We are not using the resources of the planet in a progressive way.

The idea that monopolies create competition is a proven fallacy. They destroy the communities that they work within over time. Just look at history to see that
The only way forward is to create a system the benefits all concerned and includes our environment. The way forward is for more small business and less big companies, the more people that are self employed the more content they are. Corporations rob people of individuality, the only thing they receive is money, little job satisfaction.

Using our technology in a progressive reusable manner is the only solution, it should not matter that some big business will miss out if we change. Growth should be through innovation and not consumption. Technological advances should be for making it easier for all of us, not harder for a lot, as it is at the moment.

The methods of the last century, have passed their use by date, we have to change. After all, how many natural disasters that may be caused by our greed, can be economically overcome as they continually hit our population areas.

Thats reality Col, not corporate greed and profits. Bringing up the communist plot theory, is for those of the past. Intellegent people realise the faults with that system, just like they do with the present one that is being forced upon us.

Alchemist “Collapsing infrastructure, health systems, education systems, family systems, social fabric falling apart.”

That might be your view but limited vision condemns you to getting it wrong.

“We are not using the resources of the planet in a progressive way.”

Nothing you have suggested would do better but we were talking about the organisation of joint stock companies not tree-hugging mantras.

“The idea that monopolies create competition is a proven fallacy.”

That is WHY Telstra was privatised

Such a statement has no relevance to the nature of JSC’c. Competition exists when different companies compete for capital and then compete in markets. It is when governments, who should be “umpires” get their “own team” on the playing field that “monopolies” manifests themself.

“Using our technology in a progressive reusable manner is the only solution”

Has nothing to do with the organisation or ownership of JSC’s

“Growth should be through innovation and not consumption.”

Innovation facilitates consumption, consumption finances innovation. Remove one and you destroy the other.

“Technological advances should be for making it easier for all of us not harder, ”

"Technological Advances" are "innovations"
here you seem to contradict yourself but
Luddites will always be “challenged” by technological advances / Innovation.

“The methods of the last century, have passed their use by date”

1 Will not happen without innovation and innovation needs consumption (above).

2 So put up some suggestions.
Suggestions that we can test for “viability” before you tear up the current methods
or you will simply inflict the same outcomes as the Khymer Rouge inflicted on Cambodia and that will not happen whilst we still use ballot boxes or in your new order, do votes go too?

Question How Owns JSCs
Answer Owned by private individuals, “mutual funds” (superannuation Funds etc) and by other JSCs.

If you follow the line back to the ultimate “ownership”, everyone with a superannuation fund or insurance policy benefits from JSCs, which countersthe idea of corporations for the benefit of a few individuals.

“Thats reality Col”

you just lack vision and faith in the innovation of other “individuals”

"It is a historical fact, that when societies get to the point where they are controlled by small percentage ruling elite, they collapse and the ruling elite is exterminated. Many believe that we are at that point. But don't worry Col and John, your all so blind that you won't see it until it hits you full on."

Well said, Alchemist. I have pondered when corporations will plunge us into such total misery that the poor souls of this planet will have no option but to engage in revolution. Ironically, that's what the ruling elites fear the most. Their power structures are weak, and easily removed by the billions of this planet. And yet while these elite cretins are deathly afraid of revolution, they continue toward the inevitable.

We need to hook up some time... give me a yell: software.au@gmail.com.

Col, “Innovation facilitates consumption, consumption finances innovation. Remove one and you destroy the other.”

I understand the world you live in, thats why it is collapsing.

Innovation is determined by need and desire, corporations never invent anything, they either buy or steal them.

You assume that everyone that doesn't hold with your viewpoint is a cretin and has no knowledge of technology. I feel very sad for you in that respect, your life must be very shallow and lacking. Maybe thats why you are are so angry and without understanding when it comes to world reality.

Technology is the only thing that can save us, but not in the way it is being used and not by the control of society by corporations. Sure lots of super funds are locked up in large corporations, but if you look at the ratio of ownership and control, then you will see that the little people have no say whatsoever and are at the mercy of corporate owners, who hold majority shares and control the companies direction and operation. Lets no forget the obscene renumeration that directors give themselves whilst using small investors money.

Col, it is not much use talking to people like you, because when the tide of the future washes over your head, I will be sitting here with my advanced technological renewable support systems keeping my feet dry, whilst you sink into the mire you live within.

The reason that society won't turn to alternative energies is because the elite can't control renewable energies and cottage industry, as it can fossil energies. Renewable anything, means less money for the elite. We operate on biofuels, solar, wind and integrated flywheel power, all non polluting and the only viable energy future, if we want to have a world with a decent environment and livable climate.

After our change over, business fuel costs dropped more than 60%, electricity costs, 94%. In two years time we will achieve 90% fuel autonomy. So if thats being a Luddite, then where does that leave you.

Thanks Conspiracy theory, my email is, the_organic_alchemist@hotmail.com

ConspiracyTheory “I have pondered when corporations will plunge us into such total misery that the poor souls of this planet will have no option but to engage in revolution. Ironically, that's what the ruling elites fear the most. Their power structures are weak, and easily removed by the billions of this planet. And yet while these elite cretins are deathly afraid of revolution, they continue toward the inevitable.”

Oh those bad and nasty corporations naughty corporate executives who don’t do as Marx and Engels, Lenin and Stalin demanded. Those bad, bad corporations who bring us the internet, insure our houses, stock and fund supermarkets and tend for almost all and every human need, , Those “elite cretins” who fund research, develop and build houses, roads, power plants, new food crops, pharmaceuticals etc as well as cars and “planes and boats and trains” (feels a song coming on) .

“ConspiracyTheory” is good name for someone who is stating to the “ruling elite” (under whose definition anyone with an insurance policy or monies in a superfund is a part of), the owners of corporations are the “elite cretins” yet who offers nothing more than the Khymer Rouges' misery of “revolution”
Such insecure arrogance to talk of those “elites” with such distain.

I would suggest,

When the concept (JSC and their place in contemporary economic organisation and management)
-is too large for you to get your head around,
It does not mean that it is a bad concept,

it just means you have a limited intellect or a small head.

So
When you can find democratic support for your asinine leftwing fairyfloss at the ballot box.

When you have a viable alternative to the “joint stock company” which has been around, pretty much unchanged, for the past 300 years (although now much more regulated).

When you know the consequences of your proposals (revolution etc).

Then you should make a post, until then Mummy should lay you down for your afternoon nap.

This "elitist" is not "deathly afraid of revolution" but merely considers it an enoromous waste of time, resource and opportunity.