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Brand Islam : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 3/8/2005

Tanveer Ahmed argues Muslim communities must take greater responsibility.

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Religion is enslavement, demanding you be obedient to your god, no matter what the outcome. All the religious, are enslaved to cloaked evil and deadly fallacies. I think your gods have made monumental mistakes, (if they exist).

I am quite sure that with the example religions provide to the world, an observer would be hard pressed to find anything decent,kind or caring from any branch of religion throughout history.

There is one solution, create a climate on Mars, get your gods to ship you all there and leave you to it. At least there isn't much to destroy up there and all the rational non believers would be able to get on with their lives in peace and harmony, providing this planet with some chance of survival from the evil destruction of nature and life forms, by the religious.

Until the religious can see beyond their fear of taking responsibility for their lives, instead of throwing that responsibility onto legendary myths, nothing will change and the coming religious war will overwhelm us all. The underlining theme with all posts regarding religion from the enslaved religious, is they are right and everyone else is wrong, and they will destroy you to prove it. No matter what the consequences for those not involved in their fantasies.

The solution for Australia is to restrict the expression of religion or the wearing of religious clothing or symbols to the home and designated places of worship. Then we can develop an Australian culture that allows religious freedom, but also allows the non religious to not have their freedoms walked on. Other than that, the religious should move to the countries where their religion is entrenched and in control of their lives, so they may be happy.

We only ask, provide us with evidence of the existence, material fact or physical spiritual proof of GOD/ALLAH's being a realistic fact. Until you do, you are just doing what all religions have done through history, all ecncompassing power and control. But please no scripture, you can't live in the past forever, it's already overwhelming you.
Posted by The alchemist, Friday, 5 August 2005 11:05:15 AM
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Well... I don't claim to know the correct policy(s) to fix these issues. But, The Alchemist is kind of right I think... because seriously when you stay up all-night and then you unfortunately get subjected to all the Christian TV…

I mean, it should be illegal to show some of that content, in that context on a public medium like TV… the greater chunk of what they server up is absolute rubbish, and there is no a sane person on earth who could seriously clam otherwise…

Just think about it, if I start a “Colt”, which is basically a non-mainstream religion, not generally known and or accepted by the community. Now if I did nothing illegal, but I publicly ranted and raved on and on, over and over with different “lies/Miss truths” and/or “totally outrageous and totally unproven” claims about myself or some other individual, and I was not, as I said, able to prove a single claim…

Only a few different outcomes would occur…

• I would get laughed out of town, the state and eventually the country
• I would get accessed of some heinous acts/crimes, tried convicted and sent to jail, never to be released
• Or I would be locked away in a metal instruction, to root, until I died, where no one would have to worry about me….

Now, if I do exactly the same thing but talk about one of the more major religions. I am totally fine, well respected, upstanding citizen with in the community. And could properly convince enough people somewhere, sometime it was totally fine, and even a good idea, to go over to our rival religion, in the next valley and slaughter them…. Hmmm because there make believe god was not as good as out make believe god…
Posted by ToolBox, Sunday, 7 August 2005 12:40:52 AM
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I mean, the bible has been rewritten… how many times? By how many people, to reflect and portray whose, interpretation of what happened, how many hundreds of years ago…

The church would also have to be one of the biggest businesses out; it’s a business that sells fear, face it… nothing more nothing less…. It can claim all it likes it does this and it does that, but basically over history, the church/religion has been the biggest, longest running business around…

So, let’s step back for a moment to take a look at this…
What have we really got?

A few bunches of blokes running around the world… searching for the weak and vulnerable, targeting the easiest pray. Selling there own brands of fear, inciting hatred of the other types of religion (or competing businesses also selling different brands of fear) and then trying to dictate to the rest of us, sane people. Who just want to live in peace and not run around blowing our selves or others up? With either a backpack full of explosives or an M16 and a frag grenade.

Now, I have not idea what people will think of my thoughts. I will more than likely be labeled as some, devil loving, colt leader wannabe? Because I am, knocking, religion in general, But, I mean, common… it’s the bloody 21st century…

And were still letting these idiots dictate how we live… its crazy.
Posted by ToolBox, Sunday, 7 August 2005 12:41:26 AM
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the religions arn't the worry, its their effects in society that matters!

the topic is muslims taking more resposibilty for i assume terrorism,
well one way may be to actully give up the religion of islam, as many xtians have done in disgust, thing is muslims dont seem to give it up ......nor do there seem to be many moderate muslims who give anything more than lip service to terrorist issues.......

so yeh lets see a show of islamic denouncment...
Posted by meredith, Sunday, 7 August 2005 1:05:42 AM
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We've found him! Tanveer Ahmed is the first, repeat first Islamic person I have heard who doesn't apologise in some way for terrorism, who actually seems to genuinely be against it, against the extremist aspects of Islam. As I read the article I kept thinking when are you going to blame the west, or call us racists, or some other nonsense that Muslims use to justify their barbarity.

The events in Iraq or Afghanistan have nothing to do with Muslim aggression. How many Muslims in Australia held protests during the late 1980's, or all throughout the 1990's for that matter, when Saddam Hussein was killing Shi'ites, or Kurds? They don't care about human rights, Islam is totally against them! Similarly, after WWII no Islamic nation was willing to accept Palestinian refugees when Israel was founded by the UN. To this day, Palestinian refugees are treated like garbage, as are all other ethnic minorities in Arab nations. There are even Palestinian-Syrians in our detention centre's now, who can't go home to Syria as they aren't recognised.

The comments about Muslims feeling victimised was spot on too. All too often we hear from Muslims that they're unemployment rate is sky high because we are racist. What nonsense. Indians are foreigners, yet they have low unemployment, they don't form ethnic gangs who bash "Aussie skips" out the front of Westfields, they obviously aren't as ethnocentric. They don't fit in because they are racist, by and large, and their leaders need to be replaced. Does the Islamic community understand how ridiculous it looks to us westerners to have a man of hate, a man who is a known liar (especially over his dealings in Iraq regarding Douglas Wood) as their leader?

Excellent article Tanveer, I look foward to reading more of your commonsense, rational thinking, that is sadly, lacking in most of your bretheren.
Posted by Benjamin, Sunday, 7 August 2005 3:21:56 PM
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Tanveer

Thank you very much for your article. It's so "fair dinkum" that I have been thinking about it for days - wondering if you are too good to be true? I was waiting for the inevitable: but, if, however - which Muslim leaders use with such regular monotony.

Benjamin's first paragraph says it all!

Many thanks once again
Cheers
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Sunday, 7 August 2005 3:42:34 PM
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