A quote from Master Subramuniya:

"You have the power to break through the thin veil of delusion into the consciousness of knowing that you, yourself, have been the creator of all you attract."

Sells, look in the mirror, what do you see?

Trinity this is as hopeless as the creation science crowd that has been over at Margo K's Blog. In both cases we have people like Sells who trot out sophistry and think they have been honest and charitable, but not only that, we have their supporters who couldn't spot a rational arguement if their lives depended on it.

Combine this irrationality with the charismatic churches you don’t have to think just feel good mantra and a whole generation of brain dead Christian parrots and soon we will have Creation Science taught in schools, things homosexuality illegal and women at home minding the kids like the Promise Keepers

Where are the moderate rational Christians on this blog?
I would love to see Sells in an interfaith discussion trotting out this garbage and see how far he gets.

BTW notice the silence from Aslan where has been heated debate between Sells and him over Aslans literalist creation science views or the fact that only one Christian has questioned Sells radical departure from the all powerful God concept to his non-existent hole in the donut God, a God that isn't really there.

The great thing about theology is that its infinitely flexible and there is no way to verify it. Sells can shape his God into basically any concept and it still cannot be touched.
The only thing he fails to realize is that he grants this for his own faith but not to others therefore creating different theological standards of ‘truth’. There is no point in discussing anything with such a person as there is no point in discussing science facts and the absurdity of creation science with Aslan both are incapable of rational discussion.

Well said Neohuman. I thought Sell's posted this article to have a debate. Being in the christian church, I should have realised that he was just trying to boost his ego. We are cuckoo's to have the audacity to question. I agree with your last post. "(1 John 3:2 NRSV) Beloved, we are God's children now; what we will be has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is"). Maybe it is a time of revelation and christians are being seen as being like him and he is being seen as he is. God is there for all to see in Iraq, Israel, Africa, Europe and the America's. Sell's You look upon myself and others as below you and can't be listened to, because we are ignorant. It isn't worthwhile trying understand what you are saying, your description of 1 John 34:2 is a modern translation and not from the original text, so is useless for any real debate on biblical text. You dismiss Bishop Spong, me, having spent years ordained in the christian church, working throughout Sth East Asia and having just a measly PhD in theology, really doesn't count when placed with your illustrious understanding of sematic waffle. I don't quote scripture, why discuss something that has been discussed until it means absolutely nothing. At my age, it is much more rewarding to understand christianity from other viewpoints, then one can encompass the entire of gods kingdom and not just the narrow bigoted fanatics who only see themselves and the power they think they can achieve. Pity, we all may have learnt something. I do like being the devils advocate in religious discussions, it shows who has love within their hearts and who has war and madness. Sell's lot, get the madness. Sell's it's a pity that you even put yourself above your god and his understanding of the life he created, but thats natural for blind zealots.

The Alchemist it is like having half a dozen people with one door and all saying there is different things behind the door when they have no evidence that there is infact anything behind the door.

Again Selles wants us to have a mature rational discussion when all he is saying he is right, he knows what is behind the door -but then again he saying there isn't so maybe he is just a confused atheist-
there is no evidence to prove or disprove it, nor can we use rational arguments to analyze it, just accept that he's, right all the other guys are wrong by brute fact not by any reason or evidence.

In these sort of dicussions even a strong atheist will confess no I don't know the OT NT God doesn't exist but nor do i know that the Hindu gods don't exit or that we are infact all living within a Matrix.

Until Sells realizes he too much make similar concessions that he is not using reason here but simply making statements of faith -that he doesn't allow for other faiths- he is wasting our time.

Sells stick to preaching to the converted or the gullable.

I read the article to which you referred me. It explained a few things and led me to feel quite concerned for you.

You wrote, "The target of my criticism includes all general belief in God, all easy theism that is disconnected from the life of the church and the scriptures it celebrates." Good. Australia is full of people who say they believe in (a) god. The trouble is that the god they believe in is, "my god"; the one about which people say, "My god wouldn't ......(insert phrase here, e.g., allow children to suffer terrible diseases, allow a tsunami or earthquake to kill so many people, send my father and all my friends to hell [paraphrasing Mr C Darwin])". These people exalt a god of their own devising, one that seems good to them but is not the God of scripture. Don't you do the same thing?

You want people to give themselves to Jesus. Good. But who is the Jesus you're talking about? You seem to be a follower of existentialist theology which says that most of scripture is myth. There were no miracles and there was no resurrection. Your Jesus is mythical. Why do you want people to give themselves to something that is "myth"? Why not ask people to give themselves to the fairies at the bottom of the garden? In the (fantasy) literature they're probably recorded as saying we should be nice to our neighbour. If everyone was nice to their neighbour that could be a cure to many of our ills. What would it matter if it was a god who recommended it or fairies at the bottom of the garden?

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You wrote, "The first narrative, the creation in seven days was written while in exile in Babylon". What makes you so sure? Have you read Josh McDowell on the refutation of the Documentary Hypothesis? If you are so willing to doubt the veracity of historical passages of the Bible shouldn't you be equally willing to doubt those who cast doubt on those passages - men who lived many, many decades ago and who, necessarily, didn't know what is available now for us to know?

Do you know that human beings seem to have a built in mechanism that makes them look for causation? Sometimes it causes them grief because they confuse correlation with causation. But the fact is that human beings are made to seek patterns, make correlations and identify causes. It may be that you have worked long and hard to come to a position where you can feel comfortable with calling yourself a Christian while denying the historicity of the accounts of the events which produced it. Maybe you grew up in a church culture, don't know anything else, think it's pretty good and therefore can't see why anyone else should think differently. But everybody else is not you. We all have our own histories and our individual histories give us a particular view of the world that is different to yours. These are our opinions based on our experience. What will bring us together? Only a universal, or an absolute, combined with a desire to know what that is, if it exists.

Jeremiah 29:13 "And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." Have you searched with all your heart?