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All should condemn Islamic fundamentalism's homophobia : Comments

By David Skidmore, published 16/8/2005

David Skidmore argues Islamo-fascism's violent opposition to homosexuality is a threat to Western freedom.

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This is the first I've heard of Gays standing up for themselves against Muslims, and good on you all.I have been wondering whether the homosexual community were cowards or not, as one regularly sees gays attacking Christianity via floats in the Mardi Gra, yet I've never heard of an Islamic float, say of Lesbians in burqa's, naked from the neck down, on leashes held by gays dressed as Islamic clerics? Next year perhaps?

Your community must confront these sickly Islamists now, because as you say in the article, no one else will. Our leaders are weak, they say, "It's not Islam, just a fringe group". Rubbish. Islam can't be clearer on homosexuality. You are to die for it. All Muslim leaders believe this, I have personal correspondence with Keysar Trad telling me that all Muslims believe in Sharia Law.

The only bit about your article that bugged me is how you say that Christianity is the same with regard to homosexuals. As a non-religious person, I take offence at that. When have you heard Christians saying gays should be killed? The worst you get are those who say you won't be going to heaven, or can't get married in their church, or the like.

Nothing in Christianity approaches the barbarity of the Islamic religion regarding homosexuals.

Taken out of context did the Sheik say? There's that 'taqqiya' again. What a joke it is that their religion allows them to lie, cheat, steal from non-Muslims?

The word religion needs to be altered, as the connotations we in the west have is of decency, of helping the homeless, yet Islam seems to be nothing but hate & intolerance. When will it be banned?
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 18 August 2005 8:36:43 AM
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Yes, Islamo-fascism is a threat to western freedom....Islam itself is a threat to western freedom.

If I were homosexual I would be very worried, because anyone who lives in the western suburbs will tell you, hordes of middle-eastern youth hang out at the entrance to the local Westfields, harrassing whites, especially young women.

I have seen packs of them out the front of Liverpool Westfields run up to young women walking by themselves, all offering their phone numbers, asking for sex, it's truly disgusting. Sometimes the poor girl is with her mother, but these scum are so disrepectful (although watch them all be quite when a veil walks past).

Homosexuals would probably cop this also, especially the ones that openly show it by dying their hair yellow & walking like a woman. I believe that the homosexual community needs to speak out more, because I am sick of seeing a situation where it seems that Muslims are aligned with the far left (especially on issues like war in Iraq) and that really makes me sick because Muslims are so far to the right they need a new description!

ALL Muslims believe that Sharia Law is the law of God. They wish to implement this law here and disgustingly, have even asked for it already.

How many clerics have we heard say the same things as Yassin? In particular though, a cleric by the name of Sheik Shadi, who is based in Lakemba, two years back called for Sharia Courts to be set up in Sydney so Muslims could stone homosexuals to death. The response from the gay community? Hardly a peep. Which annoys me when you consider how angry they were over John Laws comments.

As one who has delved into Islam quite a bit, it is a sickening religion which offers man nothing. Although they think that we in the west are decadent, it is Islam that allows man to kill his enemies, take many wives, it's idea of heaven is sex with virgins, it's a religion that gives into all of mans passions.
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 18 August 2005 9:02:20 AM
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Let me make 3 things clear.
1) I oppose punishing any homosexuals for their chosen orientation. (note this does not mean we should redefine institutions or ideas to be "inclusive". Marriage has always throughout history been defined as between a man and a woman.)
2) I oppose the twisting of the term 'homophobia' to apply to anyone who thinks the act of homosexuality is immoral.
3) Homosexual acts are immoral, just as telling a lie, having an affair whilst being married, having sex outside of marriage, stealing, greed and a host of other sins. Get over it (to both those who think they should bash homosexuals and the homosexuals who cry 'homophobe' anytime anyone says that they are doing something immoral), we are all sinners.
Posted by Grey, Thursday, 18 August 2005 9:05:53 AM
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Anal sex is something many heterosexuals do and, conversely, many gay men actually don't like anal sex. It's not wise to make assumptions regarding sexual practices about a community one obviously knows very little about (ah, but I've got a gay "friend". Isn't it funny how gay "friends" are produced in this debate to conveniently support an ignorant view?). I could ask why any woman would want a penis in her considering that organ is used for urinating. But I don't pretend to know that much about female sexuality.

In both the Koran AND the Bible you'll find material to justify the killing of gays if that is what you want to do. Christian fundamentalists, usually in America, DO argue precisely that. My argument is against religious fundamentalists and not Muslims per se. I have known Muslims who have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality. And as I pointed out, the Canterbury-Bankstown area is home to gay Muslims. Gay Muslims throw down a challenge to ALL religious fundamentalists alike simply by they're existence.
Posted by DavidJS, Thursday, 18 August 2005 9:12:07 AM
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My nephew who served in Iraq stated many of the nominal male Muslims in Iraq are bisexual. They say, "Women are for babies men are for pleasure". It is these type of Muslims that ignore / violate the law of Allah the Sunni want to eradicate because they are influenced by debauched Western standards of behaviour.

The fundamentalist Muslim take this position from the ancient religion of monotheism handed down to Abraham, when Abraham,s nephew Lot chose to live in Sodom. Their opposition to the Sodomites [that gained its name from that event] when the whole city of Sodom was destroyed under burning ash and the wife of Lot was also encased in volcanic ash because she failed to flee and sympathised with the sexual behaviour of the inhabitants.
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:19:18 AM
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Grey could have added Christianity to his/her list of immoral deeds. It is to the more close-minded of other religions. As is Islam, Judaism or any other religion. They're all immoral. Morality or immorality is a matter of opinion at the end of day (excuse cliche). Religious types would whinge that I'm being bigoted. But they can get over it.

Homosexuality is simply a sexual orientation towards one's own sex and nothing more. It is not anal sex, a preference for techno music, the ability to do great interior designs or an aptitude for hairdressing. Sexual orientation is not a concept discussed in any religious text because it was unknown when those texts were written. In fact, religious texts are about as useful in analysing sexual orientation as they are in analysing endocrinology. This maybe why so many people get confused about the issue. To say "homosexuality is wrong" makes as much sense as saying "left-handedness is wrong".
Posted by DavidJS, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:31:35 PM
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