So then you admit that abstinence before marriage is not the only %100 method of safe sex as you earlier claimed.

TheShat says: "So then you admit that abstinence before marriage is not the only %100 method of safe sex as you earlier claimed."

No. What I actually said regarding young unmarried people, was "abstinence before marriage is the ONLY 100% safe method of sex."

Regarding those already married, the ONLY 100% safe method of sex is marital faithfulness.

To put it another way, if an unmarried virgin remains such until married then there is almost no chance of them contracting HIV/AIDS. Only other possibilities are due to accident (very unlucky), infected blood transfusion (very unlikely these days due to screening), or needle-sharing when taking intravenous drugs (which is just plain stupidity).

If you're married and both of you are clear, then you won't catch HIV/AIDS (disregarding accidents and other stupid behavioru) if you remain faithful to each other.

If you don't believe me, just look at Uganda. The results speak for themselves...

That argument also ignores babies born to mothers infected. You have a %25 chgance of getting HIV if your mother was infected during pregnancy.

The website for the Uganda AIDS commision is very interesting. http://www.aidsuganda.org/faqs/index.htm I conceded it does mention safe sex, but it also mentions condoms and birth control. Clearly not something Pope John Paul II would condone, nor our new Benedict 16th. I think Colin's argument is valid in that someone with that blinkered a view about procreation should not have a vote in the UN.

TheShat said: "That argument also ignores babies born to mothers infected. You have a %25 chgance of getting HIV if your mother was infected during pregnancy."

If you remain faithful, you won't get infected during or before pregnancy!

For those who are already infected but want children then they are taking that risk. If they don't want children then there are condoms which is what I stated earlier.

Even then, your faith in comdoms is too great. A recently published meta-analysis of comdom effectiveness showed that they offer only 85% protection against HIV/AIDS. ie. you still have 1 in 6 chance of becoming infected. Russian Roulette anyone?

Anyone as naive as yourself and Colin certainly shouldn't have a vote in the UN. Thank goodness you don't!

Aslan - talk about naive!
"If you remain faithful, you won't get infected during or before pregnancy."

A woman can remain faithful to the one partner all her life and still contract STD's. Do I have to spell out how?

Your ignorance coupled with your narrow world view is truly astounding.

Go back to school, learn about life. I think Humanities and Biology would be a good start.

Ambo,

The only way a faithful woman can contract STIs is through her (unfaithful) partner. Hence my point that married couples remain faithful.

Your ad hominem comments do nothing to change the facts.

In Uganda, the ABC program has worked (and is now being adopted by other countries).

In countries which have relied on condoms, STIs have sky-rocketed. ie. they don't work. QED.