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Lies, damned lies and fluoridation : Comments

By David McRae, published 8/3/2005

David McRae argues that the public has been misinformed over the benefits and risks of fluoridation.

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Silicofluorides (the specific chemical compounds most frequently used to fluoridate water in Australia and the United States) have never been adequately tested for safety.

Silicofluorides are usually sourced as contaminated industrial-grade by-products of the phosphate fertilizer industry. They contain arsenic, lead, and other heavy metals.

With fluoride only slightly less poisonous than arsenic, the compounding effects of the silicofluorides are unimaginable with fluoride (an established “equivocal carcinogen”), arsenic (a carcinogen) and lead “reasonably established to be a human carcinogen”.

To review the “Report on Carcinogens - Eleventh Edition” visit http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov

Silicofluorides not only contain lead but

“Epidemiological studies show that, where these silicofluorides are added to public water, children are significantly more likely to absorb lead in their environment from lead paint in old houses, lead levels in water, etc. (Masters et al, Neurotoxicology (2000) 23:101 & Int. J. Env. Stud. (1999) 56:435).

Roger D. Masters (Research Professor of Government at Dartmouth College Department of Government, Hanover, New Hampshire, USA) also found that Blacks were more adversely affected than Whites; with Afro-Americans worse affected than Hispanics.

Elevated blood lead levels can disturb dopamine function. This can lead to loss of impulse control and then to violence. Violence can lead to victims, emotional and physical trauma, incarceration and increased costs. Professor Masters also found an increased incidence of violence where silicofluorides are used.

The government is quietly going about fluoridating Aboriginal settlements (Queensland's Bamaga recently). Petrol sniffing and violence is reported to be rife in some Aboriginal communities. With silico-fluoridated water in Aboriginal communities, and leaded petrol sniffing potentially leading to an increased tendency to violence, Aboriginals will be more greatly disadvantaged.

When the Tasmanian Royal Commission on Fluoridation was conducted, it was then known that fluoridation could harm the indigenous population. However, no value whatsoever was placed on the welfare of Tasmanian Aboriginals by the (White) fluoridating authority when fluoridation began.

Following settlement of Australia by Whites, water holes were deliberately poisoned as a way of exterminating large numbers of Aboriginals.

With the manic push to extend fluoridation throughout Australia, Aboriginals are again having their “water holes” poisoned.
Posted by Blossom, Saturday, 12 March 2005 3:46:05 PM
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From an indigenous perspective were it not for the tireless work of people like Clyde and Lyn James [Kempsey] I beleive this insideous attempt to quietly and quickly dispose of indigenopus people would have gone unchallenged . Dramatic you say? Well not really if you examine the research. Dr Archie Kalakaneous [hope the spellings right!] the leading expert on Indigenous health calls the governments quiet agenda to flouridate our remote communities without community consultation and without any form of real discussion , "genoocide!".
Thanks to Clyde and Lyn, the 6000 strong Kempsey community was alerted and went into hyperdrive to alert our remote communities . Not before Bamaga [pop 800] at the tip of Cape York was done along with two other communities, but in time for us to send out a strong message which was picked up by SBS and other koori media and start the discussion [community consultation ?] which is our way and our right as indigenous peoples . Interested email livermoreshaon.com.au and we'll send you a copy of the original broadcast.
Koori
Posted by koori, Monday, 14 March 2005 4:47:51 PM
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I go to my dentist and doctor and they tell me they just know fluoride is good for me but they cna never answer any questions about its safety. I know it is suppose not to be used in babies and that it is toxic to women with thyroid problems as well as being a risk for cancer and bone diseases. Why does my doctor or dentist not know these things?
Posted by floozie, Monday, 14 March 2005 11:00:55 PM
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Floozie asked why her dentist and doctor don't know about various adverse effects from fluoridation.

Possibly, they believe what has been parroted for decades that "Fluoride is safe and effective. Fluoride is safe and effective…” or they don’t read the results of peer-reviewed and published fluoride studies published in mainstream dental, medical and scientific journals (see www.SLweb.org/bibliography.html for annotated bibliographies sourced from these journals; the majority of which shown harm from fluoride)

Australia's celebrity doctor/radio presenter/columnist/author, Dr James Wright wrote (Sunday Mail, 13/2/05) "... The most important time for fluoride intake is during the early pre-natal months when mum to be should have a regular intake..." With outdated information like this, it's no wonder that dentists and doctors think fluoride is good. The US Food and Drug Administration ceased recommending fluoride supplements for pregnant women in 1966!

Sodium fluoride is to come under review this year (by the World Health Organization) for possible deletion from its list of "Essential Drugs".

I have heard of people being told by their doctor/dentist that it’s okay to swallow their fluoride mouth rinse or toothpaste. Fluoride toothpaste is so poisonous that in the US, the packaging has to carry a warning advising to "contact a poison control centre or a health professional immediately" if more is swallowed than needed to clean teeth. One brand of fluoride toothpaste for children encourages the swallowing of the toothpaste: it is bubble-gum flavoured (and contains 500 ppm sodium fluoride poison). Sodium fluoride is an ingredient of some insecticides and rodenticides. 1080 dingo killer is a fluoride compound.

Fluoridation takes away a persons right to choose what they take into their body. Fluoridation treats people (chlorine treats water). Fluoridation breeches the Australian Constitution (which disallows conscription for dental or medical purposes), the Australian Human Rights Act and the Nuremberg Code. It is trough medicine with an uncontrolled dose of a contaminated industrial-grade product which contains arsenic, lead and other heavy metals.

If consumers of fluoridated water think their health department is looking after their best interests they would be sadly disillusioned were they to research the facts for themselves
Posted by Blossom, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 1:39:45 PM
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Yes Floozie, its so shocking your doctor and dentist don’t know about fluoride’s side effects. Had they read and understood the primary medical literature on fluoride toxicity they’d be both telling you NOT to swallow it. The reason lots of doctors and dentists don’t know much about fluoride is they take a short cut and restrict themselves to believing what the AMA or the ADA tell them about it. Most never check to find out how horribly wrong their associations have got their information on fluoride as a result of swallowing so many of the ‘pie-in-the-sky’ stories they’ve been fed about it.

I remember in my earlier days when still unaware of fluoride toxicity I attended a health information night at a major Melbourne hospital. After one of Australia’s top doctors had finished his talk someone asked him what he thought about water fluoridation. “Fluoride is a poison – don’t touch it” came the rapid reply. So some doctors do read the research!

If they are still simple-mindedly pushing fluoride as just good for you, I reckon you do your dentist & doctor a big, big favour and bring them up to speed with the medical research at http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

Phil Robertson
Posted by Phil Robertson, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 3:05:54 PM
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From the article's author:

Most comments so far have been on whether fluoridation works, or is safe or not. Interesting points have been made, and it is a most important debate that should be encouraged to be very public.
My article though gave little opinion on that, rather focussing on the ethics and truthfulness of how it is presented, defended and sold to consumers.
The key point being that when health departments or dental associations produce ‘spin’ pamphlets that claim over and over “it is safe and effective” (you might think they were getting a royalty for every time that phrase was used) or “ the overwhelming weight of credible evidence shows that .... ” then they are failing to be truthful. Such statements show no integrity and insult the intelligence of the informed section of the public.
There is an equally large body of science suggesting that fluoridation has little impact on tooth cavity rates, as there is the reverse. Likewise with safety for bones, thyroid gland, nervous system etc. The merits of the conflicting findings need to be debated in print and public forums. Much more research needs to be done. It is important to debate whether fluoridation should cease or continue while that is being done. Certain fundamental rights are being tossed aside for fluoridation to continue in the face of such ambiguous evidence on safety and effectiveness, after so many years.
The consistently wrong statements about large numbers of countries fluoridating is a concern also.
I have no beef with health departments in general. I have no evidence of systematic failures of integrity, and hope they don’t exist. But within the divisions responsible for fluoridation, entrenched, systematic failure of integrity is very evident.
Unfortunately this leads to a serious lack of trust in these departments and associations. Over the last three or four years, since making a very intensive study of the scientific evidence, and how fluoridation PR is conducted, my trust has eroded completely in the fluoride divisions of health departments. I am sorry to say.
Posted by Ironer, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:11:53 PM
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