Thanx Al :) back at ya moite

Is it just me, or doesn't it seem a little bizarre for us to be critiquing Bill Muehlenberg's critique of Alistair McGrath's critique of Richard Dawkins' book?

Insofar as the opportunity for intelligent comment goes, it is a non-starter, witness the attempts to introduce extraneous material, including a completely manufactured opportunity to sneer at the legend of Gilgamesh.

Pericles
u got it in 1. With that level of nesting ... how does one find the energy to say much which is related to the critique of the critique of the book ?
Hence.. off-topic mush. Mostly mine most likely.
By the way.. how do u get 'sneer' re Gilgamish ?
I'm just posting an excerpt and anyone can make a judgement.
There is a difference between 'sneer' and 'compare and contrast'

Grace posted quotes which include the words "Naive bible thumper'
er... why didn't u take exception to that ?

People often refer to the Epic and claim "But see.. Genesis is JUST LIKE the contemporary creation myths" so putting an excerpt side by side with the simplicity of 'In the beginning..' seems a worthwhile exercise. It also is a defense to 'naive Bible Thumper'

But defending ones 'turf' aside, your remarks in the Anti Semitism thread are insightful, rarely seen, its usually justifying or condemning one side or the other. I want to recommend a passage of scripture to you:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=15&version=31

You and Paul are not far apart. His analysis of the position of being 'Christian' in this chapter is brutally honest.

How can any intelligent person find it easier to believe that this Planet formed itself and all the plant and animal and human life [with all their mind-boggling complexities] life from dust caused by a "Big Bang"?
Who or what caused the "Big Bang" anyway? It's easier to believe that an Infinite IIntellect, a Creator, made the World.

Let me relate the story of the Christian and the Atheist. Despite their differences they were friends. One day they had a day out in the city and dropped in at a science display. One of the features was a working model of our Solar System. They were fascinated, and the Athiest said "Hey that's terrific - I wonder who made it." The Christian replied "Nobody made it, it made itself." "Come off it" said the Athiest, "how could it build itself, that's impossible." The Christian said "Of ourse it's impossible, but people of your persuasion claim that the real Solar System, and the Universe built itself. Now you can see just how impossibe that is." "Even this model had to have someone intelligent to make it, and the real Universe, including our Solar System had to have a Super Intelligence to build it." " And we call Him God."

AL it is no wonder that you cling to superstitions nonsense you have clearly demonstrated that you don't understand the fields of cosmology or biology. Now it is either because you have are of low intelligent level or that you are a zealot or that you ignorant of the science behind these fields. No from your previous posts I think you’re the later maybe the second but you could follow up this post with the explanation of the theory of the big bang and we could judge your suitability for membership into the first group.

Kenny !
c'mon mate... u will find urself judged with the same criteria :)
The idea that belief in creation is a supersticious myth is A MYTH perpetrated by people with an agenda, its not related to the 'science' behind the stuff as u said. Perhaps the belief in 'your' version of what Christians understand about these things is a myth, but its stretching things a bit far to write off all Christians in that way.
Kenny.. have u had a read of 1 Corinthians 15 ? try it out. We tend to find less problem with Creation as per the Biblical account (when properly understood) when we have recognized the Risen Christ, as Paul outlines. But then, that is psychologically 'logical' :) and if u read the passage I just offered, u will see why that also is not a problem. No one knows how "STUPID" is our position better than we ourselves mate.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=15&version=31